2011-06-02, 07:01 PM
Alrighty. Back home at my computer finally.
No, staying alive is AWESOME. Unfortunately the only example is by definition an end game boss, but these fights will clearly become the standard as time goes on. Cannon shooter won't be able to kill von leon by himself. He'll be clamoring to the side of a bishop at empress too. Cannon backshot and jump isn't much of a solution to avoiding the cooldown because 1) there are skills with enough vertical range to still hit you and 2) there won't always be mobs in one single place to run away from.
Not to mention running away to pot (activating a cooldown that you have to wait for again after you take another hit or three) doesn't mean top tier DPS. Buccaneers at least can stay on the front lines still doing damage when they're potting. While cannoneers might have a bishop because they can't live well without it, the point is that our class can do well enough on our own.
Actually, f'uck "well enough". Buccaneers with good control can survive leagues better than literally every other class.
The reason you are wrong is not because your point is not true. You are wrong because you're looking at it in the wrong way. You're seeing it as "oh my main attack has a huge vulnerability". I'm seeing it as "oh my main attack makes me invincible for 95% of it's duration". You being vulnerable isn't a weakness. The VAST majority of classes attacks while being vulnerable 100% of the time including this one. Attacking from afar doesn't solve the fact that they can still be hit because bosses clearly have the range to do so, and demo making us open for a very short amount of time doesn't mean our ability to stay completely out of harms way for upwards of 5 seconds if we need it (not to mention healing of both HP/MP ON COMMAND) doesn't matter.
Our ability to deal damage literally does not matter because we don't have to. The ranged classes do. We have advantages that make us unique and it is for that reason that i can contribute (i can even go so far as saying i'm invaluable) and be part of major boss runs while being the lowest leveled member. Sure, there are stronger buccs than me. There are stronger buccs that also don't miss on those bosses. But that clearly doesn't matter. That isn't what our class is about, and i don't think you realize (even after all my rants to you over the years on the subject) that because it's been pounded into your mind that "damage is everything".
That, or you're just reflecting the retarded japanese players perspectives, in which case it's not your fault for being shunned causing you to think your class is s'hit when it isn't.
IllegallySane Wrote:Invin frames + healing alone don't really do much justice for a Bucc. I admit staying alive is nice, but it's staying alive better vs more damage. Still bottom tier at bosses when others can deal more damage or has more utility. Pot cooldown? Abuse that Cannon Backshot and Cannon Jump to gain distance.
No, staying alive is AWESOME. Unfortunately the only example is by definition an end game boss, but these fights will clearly become the standard as time goes on. Cannon shooter won't be able to kill von leon by himself. He'll be clamoring to the side of a bishop at empress too. Cannon backshot and jump isn't much of a solution to avoiding the cooldown because 1) there are skills with enough vertical range to still hit you and 2) there won't always be mobs in one single place to run away from.
Not to mention running away to pot (activating a cooldown that you have to wait for again after you take another hit or three) doesn't mean top tier DPS. Buccaneers at least can stay on the front lines still doing damage when they're potting. While cannoneers might have a bishop because they can't live well without it, the point is that our class can do well enough on our own.
Actually, f'uck "well enough". Buccaneers with good control can survive leagues better than literally every other class.
ShiKage Wrote:Not to mention that Vipers aren't exactly using their invulnerability frames 100% of the time. One foul smack and you're dead, where as the ranged character sitting behind you, firing their cannon, tanks the hit and keeps going.
Invulnerability frames are hardly relevant when your skill that you're going to be using the entire time has a huge window which leaves you open to attacks that can drop you dead in an instant.
The reason you are wrong is not because your point is not true. You are wrong because you're looking at it in the wrong way. You're seeing it as "oh my main attack has a huge vulnerability". I'm seeing it as "oh my main attack makes me invincible for 95% of it's duration". You being vulnerable isn't a weakness. The VAST majority of classes attacks while being vulnerable 100% of the time including this one. Attacking from afar doesn't solve the fact that they can still be hit because bosses clearly have the range to do so, and demo making us open for a very short amount of time doesn't mean our ability to stay completely out of harms way for upwards of 5 seconds if we need it (not to mention healing of both HP/MP ON COMMAND) doesn't matter.
Our ability to deal damage literally does not matter because we don't have to. The ranged classes do. We have advantages that make us unique and it is for that reason that i can contribute (i can even go so far as saying i'm invaluable) and be part of major boss runs while being the lowest leveled member. Sure, there are stronger buccs than me. There are stronger buccs that also don't miss on those bosses. But that clearly doesn't matter. That isn't what our class is about, and i don't think you realize (even after all my rants to you over the years on the subject) that because it's been pounded into your mind that "damage is everything".
That, or you're just reflecting the retarded japanese players perspectives, in which case it's not your fault for being shunned causing you to think your class is s'hit when it isn't.