2011-05-24, 12:53 AM
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:It's negative synergy because the effects of one skill used by that class reduces the effectiveness of Dark Flare, which is the skill in question. It's a no brainer to realize that Achilles will reduce the amount of damage dealt by Dark Flare doesn't make good synergy. The fact that it still allows Dark Flare to produce damage doesn't mean it has synergy. There's a large difference.
This whole discussion is pretty stupid, as i'm coming to realize. I'm not sorry your class has a lot of useless skills or that the useful skills that lack 'synergy' aren't optimal and overpowered.
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:So you're going to play the "you probably have no bossing experience" card now, huh? Sucks for you then. I've been fighting high-end bosses practically nonstop until the release of LHC and hackers hogging the channels.
Yes, that is the card i'm going to play. In my experience, speaking from Khaini, hackers only hog zak and czak, ht isn't that bad.
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:First off, in a party of 6, sure, people will get hit. Whether or not it's worth getting free damage because 1 out of 6 people may possibly get hit doesn't suddenly change the skill into something great nor does it provide the synergy that I speak of. Second off, bosses don't spam skills enough to grant Dark Flare the decent damage output you're suggesting it gives. The only real exception to this is CZak skill spam during arm phase, however, half of the time, they just deal 1 damage to you. WOO! 13 DAMAGE REFLECTED BACK AT YA! HT and CHT are also not nearly as spammy as you suggest either. Damage dealt by Von Leon is laughable. PB takes an average of one attack every 2 seconds (sometimes faster) which is not spammy, AND he's not stationary meaning he can easily move out of range of Dark Flare should his AI permit him to move away from that direction.
I don't know what czak you fight but I certainly take more than 1 damage from his attacks. Nor do I know the ht and cht you've been fighting as those both spam attacks (when auto-agg isn't broken), and those attacks also do more than one damage. I will agree though that pb doesn't spam skills, nor do the statue phases frankly. However, your mention of pb demonstrates that you've probably never killed one. Warriors pin pb to the right corner and ranged classes attack from under the platform nearby allowing them to duck to avoid the genesis and sed music notes, durrrr. Note, pinned pb doesn't move far (risking endangering the ranged classes for touch or worse, pb moving a little to the left and a paladin's guardian pushing it into the ranged classes, it's happened to me, go on a couple pb runs and you might understand).
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:So not only does Dark Flare lack synergy with your teammates, it also lacks synergy with the game itself.
It does damage, for free, and is definitely usable, stop whining please. You're right, it doesn't do gobs and giggles of damage for nothing in return, bummer.
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:We'll give you the 27 attack arrows if we can take 27 attack off of all your weapons and buff our claws by 30 attack. And that wasn't even the point he was trying to express.
Firstly, that's not even close to accurate. Taking 27 attack off our weapons AND buffing your claws by 30 attack is double. Secondly, go ahead, and I hope you enjoy our garbage 1.2 multiplier instead of your 1.75 one.
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:The point isn't even about the classes being different nor the fact crits suck. It's about the skills not complimenting each other at all THUS HAVING NO SYNERGY. Joe's whole point was to show you that though archers can activate half of that passive effect by just dodging while Night Lords will practically never activate their half of the passive effect.
I'm seeing more and more than Maple is not a good game for you. If you're really frustrated about a lack of skills working together in perfect harmony goo goo gah gah then play a different game. Maple isn't like that. It, like all other mmo's rely on teamwork, meaning not one class has it all. If NL's had all this great synergy between skills that all worked well together and complimented each other and buffed and worked well with all other classes, there would be no point to having other classes.
ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:The existence of AFA already makes BM retardedly strong. Why aren't NL's allowed the same luxury?
Because you've had it for 6-8 years depending on where you live?

