top 10 jobs after chaos?

I brought up the two bosses because they're the only real situations where living as long as possible is important because pot cooldown and high damage attacks demands it.

Soloing von leon IS a common event. If it wasn't for the D/C glitching problem of course, but we ignore this of course for argument sake because it's important we assume everything is working as intended.

I never said empress soloing is common. I didn't even say it's worth doing. I simply said (through the video example) that it is attempted for reasons unknown to me. (perhaps to practice...gasp...staying alive in pot cooldown?)



I brought up end game bosses because of *see above point about it being the only situations right now*. Note that i mentioned future pot cooldown situations.

Dishing out your maximum damage entails living to do just that. Note that i mentioned this in the beginning.

I see NLs using drain all the time. If shadowers weren't so f'ucking retarded that they are so reliant on their so called "best avoidability/survivability in the game" to avoid death while remaining ignorant to the fact that chakra helps a f'uck ton more than shield mastery at pot cooldown they sure as hell would use it since it also cuts damage taken by a very significant % while in use. These examples don't really prove anything. They're the only HP healing skills those classes have besides vampire which sucks compared to what they already have.



Extremely high monetary reward compared to other bosses isn't good reasoning for doing something? By soloing HT and getting the best drops possible (MW 30 (probably won't drop after chaos), 3 lined pendant, the most valuable books he drops) you would probably get the same profit. Except soloing HT involves a hell of a lot more effort (or NX/time/luck) than soloing VL and getting one 3 lined glove. Even then a 2L glove would (i think) sell for 800m. Clean i think 1-1.2b.

If you want to tell me that that kind of profit wouldn't make people want to solo it, that's fine, but the only reason why it's correct to say it isn't often solo'd is because like i said above, the D/C glitch gets in the way.



Mentioning it being pre-BB doesn't affect the point. The invincibility is still there. Therefore the applications are still there.

You have a DB? You've solo'd RGTS? Then you know what i'm talking about. It's easy to avoid fatal attacks when prompted.

No way! You will get hit? Where have i heard that before? Oh right!



I think i'm right because i have no experience? I'm pretty sure, since you (apparently) do have experience, that you think YOU'RE right. Does playing and having experience with a DB have anything to do with supporting the point that iframes are useful in keeping yourself alive? No. Keep in mind i play the class with the most iframes in the game. >_> I'm pretty sure that gives me enough experience to say having any kind of iframes helps keep you alive. I don't even have your avoidability. One mistake on my part can very easily lead to my death. With that in mind, you technically have more survivability than i do.

Edit: Heading to bed huh? Guess i must be pretty important if you're lurking this thread 45 minutes later. I on the other hand am staying up all night regardless.



Hahahaha. This is where your argument falls apart. Let me get this straight. You admit iframes helps in not dying, yet don't understand the point of using it, while 2 seconds later saying that the objective of bossing is to do maximum DPS while staying alive. You understand the point that staying alive = maintaining maximum DPS, yes? You also understand that saving pots in a pot cooldown situation contributes to staying alive, yes? Therefore you understand that using iframes to avoid fatal attacks, while saving pots, means maintaining maximum DPS.

Lol I give up. When the patch comes through you'll see soon enough how things work. You obviously don't have an NL, DB, or a Shad, so talking to you about this is just redundant. We're going in circles and at this point we can at best agree to disagree. Once chaos is released you can count how many db's you see still use CoH and get bac to me if you'd like I would love to see the results. staying alive =/= maintaining maximum dps otherwise drain spam on nl's would go with this and it's just not the case. You see NL's use drain all the time sure but there was a big part in that statement that you ignored, I said when you see them using it at end game bosses (HT, PB, Empress, Von Leon, Czak, CHT THEN come talk to me). When it comes to bossing in this game im sure many will agree that the idea is tank and dish out the highest possible dmg. If you would like for people to conserve their pots and time attacks that have iframes to not get hit then you would be decreasing maximum damage output not maintaining get that straight. But seriously i'm done with this thread discussion is going nowhere and serving no purpose.