top 10 jobs after chaos?

to be quite honest I didn't even know you were talking about soloing bosses until you recently stated so. I just took it and said whatever. You brought up the 2 bosses as a means of proving to me that the invincibility frames were useful then when you said solo is when I said yeah because everyone solo's those two bosses.. then you gave a video as if soloing von leon, and empress is some sort of common event.

I brought up the two bosses because they're the only real situations where living as long as possible is important because pot cooldown and high damage attacks demands it.

Soloing von leon IS a common event. If it wasn't for the D/C glitching problem of course, but we ignore this of course for argument sake because it's important we assume everything is working as intended.

I never said empress soloing is common. I didn't even say it's worth doing. I simply said (through the video example) that it is attempted for reasons unknown to me. (perhaps to practice...gasp...staying alive in pot cooldown?)

I understand you stated that but you brought up end game bosses not me, I was speaking in general which would mean things that are common. But no my point would remain if you're fighting an end game boss you're not worried about getting this or that invincibility frame, you're trying to dish out your maximum damage so you can kill the damn thing. When you see NL's using Drain at end game bosses let me know, When you see shadowers using Chakra at end game bosses let me know, the list goes on and on.

I brought up end game bosses because of *see above point about it being the only situations right now*. Note that i mentioned future pot cooldown situations.

Dishing out your maximum damage entails living to do just that. Note that i mentioned this in the beginning.

I see NLs using drain all the time. If shadowers weren't so f'ucking retarded that they are so reliant on their so called "best avoidability/survivability in the game" to avoid death while remaining ignorant to the fact that chakra helps a f'uck ton more than shield mastery at pot cooldown they sure as hell would use it since it also cuts damage taken by a very significant % while in use. These examples don't really prove anything. They're the only HP healing skills those classes have besides vampire which sucks compared to what they already have.

Von Leon often solo'd? lols ok. Your reasoning wasn't very good so you might want to try again.

Extremely high monetary reward compared to other bosses isn't good reasoning for doing something? By soloing HT and getting the best drops possible (MW 30 (probably won't drop after chaos), 3 lined pendant, the most valuable books he drops) you would probably get the same profit. Except soloing HT involves a hell of a lot more effort (or NX/time/luck) than soloing VL and getting one 3 lined glove. Even then a 2L glove would (i think) sell for 800m. Clean i think 1-1.2b.

If you want to tell me that that kind of profit wouldn't make people want to solo it, that's fine, but the only reason why it's correct to say it isn't often solo'd is because like i said above, the D/C glitch gets in the way.

PRE-BB DUDE, WE'RE TALKING AFTER CHAOS. Also I already know what it's like doing that I solo'd RGS back then many many times. RGS is easy to do so but the combo will not suffice for all monsters, try doing so on anego continuously. Eventually the attack of the monster catches up with your frames and you WILL get hit. No you think you're right because you have no hands on experience, when you get some thn we can continue this discussion, for now it's 4 am and i'm heading to bed.

Mentioning it being pre-BB doesn't affect the point. The invincibility is still there. Therefore the applications are still there.

You have a DB? You've solo'd RGTS? Then you know what i'm talking about. It's easy to avoid fatal attacks when prompted.

No way! You will get hit? Where have i heard that before? Oh right!

I didn't say invincibility frames would keep you 100% untouched. I said invincibility frames would AID in you not dying.

I think i'm right because i have no experience? I'm pretty sure, since you (apparently) do have experience, that you think YOU'RE right. Does playing and having experience with a DB have anything to do with supporting the point that iframes are useful in keeping yourself alive? No. Keep in mind i play the class with the most iframes in the game. >_> I'm pretty sure that gives me enough experience to say having any kind of iframes helps keep you alive. I don't even have your avoidability. One mistake on my part can very easily lead to my death. With that in mind, you technically have more survivability than i do.

Edit: Heading to bed huh? Guess i must be pretty important if you're lurking this thread 45 minutes later. I on the other hand am staying up all night regardless.

No pomegranate they aid in you not dying but if you didnt die from the damn attack you eventually got hit with what is the whole point of using them? To SAVE POTS, which ISNT the objective in bossing.. The objective in bossing is getting your maximum dmg output while not dying!

Hahahaha. This is where your argument falls apart. Let me get this straight. You admit iframes helps in not dying, yet don't understand the point of using it, while 2 seconds later saying that the objective of bossing is to do maximum DPS while staying alive. You understand the point that staying alive = maintaining maximum DPS, yes? You also understand that saving pots in a pot cooldown situation contributes to staying alive, yes? Therefore you understand that using iframes to avoid fatal attacks, while saving pots, means maintaining maximum DPS.