2011-04-16, 03:19 AM
I'd say if you're doing Ali, you should still get an early sheen if at all possible. It makes Alistar a threat early game, instead of just a CC twice and ignore champ.
Anyway, just had an annoying loss. We were against Shen, Karthus, Fiddlesticks, Malzahar, and Ryze. Now, against that team, you should straight up rush QSS and BV asap. Yes get a damage or other core item first, but you really need the mr and negation from those two items asap so you can beat them bloody when you fight them. So the two people I queued with do listen to me. One was WW and got a BV, which isn't perfect against such a team, but at least he got that much. The other, Maokai, went QSS, then was getting BV, which is a better option, but he went RoA and Merc Treads before that. Now both are good choices, but against that team, those items are little lower on priority than a BV and QSS. Merc Treads after that is great, but it's better to negate as much CC before you start lowering durations. I went Ryze, and had both items and was doing pretty well when I had the proper support. Our MF and Fiddle were the main problem. We stole a baron and otherwise were beating them pretty well, until MF went way far bot, and WW went way far top, with their entire team pushing up on our turret. So WW starts running back, MF does the same. Fiddle waits in the jungle to ult in. I dunno who initiated, but they didn't time it right. Their team was still too far from Fiddle for his ult to him them, and MF wasn't quite there yet. And neither Fiddle, nor MF had any MR btw. <.< So yeah, I tried to salvage our tank, but got focused down, and then he got killed by Malz's dot. Should have just let them die and tried to defend on my own I guess. Just so damn frustrating when I knew exactly what we needed to do to beat them, and yet we couldn't manage it because of other people.
TLDR: No one listens to the guy saying in the beginning, hey, their team is all cleansable cc and ap, buy QSS and banshee's ASAP.
Anyway, just had an annoying loss. We were against Shen, Karthus, Fiddlesticks, Malzahar, and Ryze. Now, against that team, you should straight up rush QSS and BV asap. Yes get a damage or other core item first, but you really need the mr and negation from those two items asap so you can beat them bloody when you fight them. So the two people I queued with do listen to me. One was WW and got a BV, which isn't perfect against such a team, but at least he got that much. The other, Maokai, went QSS, then was getting BV, which is a better option, but he went RoA and Merc Treads before that. Now both are good choices, but against that team, those items are little lower on priority than a BV and QSS. Merc Treads after that is great, but it's better to negate as much CC before you start lowering durations. I went Ryze, and had both items and was doing pretty well when I had the proper support. Our MF and Fiddle were the main problem. We stole a baron and otherwise were beating them pretty well, until MF went way far bot, and WW went way far top, with their entire team pushing up on our turret. So WW starts running back, MF does the same. Fiddle waits in the jungle to ult in. I dunno who initiated, but they didn't time it right. Their team was still too far from Fiddle for his ult to him them, and MF wasn't quite there yet. And neither Fiddle, nor MF had any MR btw. <.< So yeah, I tried to salvage our tank, but got focused down, and then he got killed by Malz's dot. Should have just let them die and tried to defend on my own I guess. Just so damn frustrating when I knew exactly what we needed to do to beat them, and yet we couldn't manage it because of other people.
TLDR: No one listens to the guy saying in the beginning, hey, their team is all cleansable cc and ap, buy QSS and banshee's ASAP.