[1.2.378] Magicians in Jump

Sure thing, I can "just" go get 3000 bonus int for my Bishop now...

When you take away that +3000 int and make it a much more common +200 int or so, the suckyness grows exponentially. So if a Mechanic with 3000+ dex can solo Pap in 4 seconds and a Bishop with 3000+ int can do it in 30 seconds, when you turn the bonus to a mundane +200 dex/int, it would take 4 minutes for an attacker job, but more than 15 minutes for a Bishop... and that's when you notice a difference. I'm willing to bet not many people have 3000 bonus stats, so they will notice the difference.

So yeah, b!itching about low DPS has a reason.

Of course if you're a godly-funded level 200, it doesn't matter. Well, unless you wanna be picky and complain about how single-target Angel Ray actually wastes DPS when that Bishop is hitting the damage cap.

Yes, that would be a valid difference if people retained their raw bonuses without potential applied. Then yes, Bishop DPS would suck. However, the point here is, you can make up the difference in sucking (which in my opinion, shouldn't have to be done in the first place, but that's not the argument here). Bishops do need a DPS upgrade, but it's not nearly as big of need as everyone here is seeming to suggest.

Also, having played on my friend's non-potentialed Bishop 13x, it takes no more than 8-10 minutes depending on various factors to solo Papu, but that's a story for another day.

Do we even have an idea of what the funding of the one who can solo it in 8 seconds is?

If you want to be somewhat fair, let's compare my Viper, a level 162 character with no potential gear, to TKWizard, a level 176 Bishop with a few pieces of potential gear which give a few %INT bonuses.

My Viper can solo Papulatus in about 2 ~ 3 minutes, where as the Bishop takes about 7 minutes. Though, I'm sure there are other factors involved, such as KBing Papulatus at the start and pinning him, BEING KBed, and whatnot, but considering the difference in levels and the difference in gear, I have a pretty good lead on the Bishop.

There's no denying that a class made primarily for attacking would have a lead on a Bishop. I didn't say Bishops would have a lead either. I'm suggesting that Bishops aren't as far behind as people are making them out to be.