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8.9 Magnitude Earthquake Hits Japan + Tsunami and Alerts
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Holypie Wrote:I'm not even going to bother trying to argue with you about this, after seeing you on other threads. This issue will just be 10 times worse. Anyway global warming is still happening, even if it's not as much as it's claimed. The scientific community agrees on it, it's just that the public doesn't.

What warming? Even the UEA scientists admit that there is no warming.
Quote:“The fact is that we can't account for the lack of
warming at the moment and it is a travesty that
we can't. The CERES data published in the
August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows
there should be even more warming: but the
data are surely wrong. Our observing system is
inadequate.” – Kevin Trenberth

“Anyway, I’ll maybe cut the last few points
off the filtered curve before I give the talk
again as that’s trending down as a result
of the end effects and the recent cold-ish
years.”
- Mick Kelly

They also have illegally manipulated their data
Quote:“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of
adding in the real temps to each series for
the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the
decline.” - Phil Jones

And what scientific consensus?
Quote:Open Letter to Secretary-General of United Nations


His Excellency Ban Ki Moon

Secretary-General, United Nations

New York, NY

United States of America

8 December 2009

Dear Secretary-General,

Climate change science is in a period of ‘negative discovery’ - the more we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT settled.

Therefore, there is no sound reason to impose expensive and restrictive public policy decisions on the peoples of the Earth without first providing convincing evidence that human activities are causing dangerous climate change beyond that resulting from natural causes. Before any precipitate action is taken, we must have solid observational data demonstrating that recent changes in climate differ substantially from changes observed in the past and are well in excess of normal variations caused by solar cycles, ocean currents, changes in the Earth's orbital parameters and other natural phenomena.

We the undersigned, being qualified in climate-related scientific disciplines, challenge the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other changes in climate. Projections of possible future scenarios from unproven computer models of climate are not acceptable substitutes for real world data obtained through unbiased and rigorous scientific investigation.

Specifically, we challenge supporters of the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused climate change to demonstrate that:

1.Variations in global climate in the last hundred years are significantly outside the natural range experienced in previous centuries;

2.Humanity’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other ‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;

3.Computer-based models can meaningfully replicate the impact of all of the natural factors that may significantly influence climate;

4.Sea levels are rising dangerously at a rate that has accelerated with increasing human GHG emissions, thereby threatening small islands and coastal communities;

5.The incidence of malaria is increasing due to recent climate changes;

6.Human society and natural ecosystems cannot adapt to foreseeable climate change as they have done in the past;

7.Worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions , is unusual and related to increases in human GHG emissions;

8.Polar bears and other Arctic and Antarctic wildlife are unable to adapt to anticipated local climate change effects, independent of the causes of those changes;

9.Hurricanes, other tropical cyclones and associated extreme weather events are increasing in severity and frequency;

10.Data recorded by ground-based stations are a reliable indicator of surface temperature trends.


It is not the responsibility of ‘climate realist’ scientists to prove that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive investments to solve the supposed ‘problem’, who have the obligation to convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To date, this they have utterly failed to do so.
Signed:
 Spoiler

As you can see, many scientists believe there is no Man-made Global Warming.

although, you probably dont hear much about them because the IPCC and these UEA "scientists" dont like criticism.

Quote:“If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse
skeptics camp, then, if we can find
documentary evidence of this, we could go
through official AGU channels to get him
ousted.” – Tom Wigley

Quote:“The other paper by MM is just garbage - as
you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also
losing all credibility as well by replying to the
mad Finn as well - frequently as I see it. I
can't see either of these papers being in the
next IPCC report. Kevin (Trenberth?) and I
will keep them out somehow - even if we
have to redefine what the peer-review
literature is!” – Phil Jones

I once believed that science was about people putting up their information, findings and thoughts out in the open for criticism, and if you where lucky enough for your idea to not be disproven, then your idea might become an accepted fact. Unfortunately, the climate gate "scientists" dont like standard scientific processes.

On top of that, these guys conspired to withhold information from the public.
Quote:“And don't leave stuff lying around on ftp sites - you never know who is
trawling them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station data
for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act
now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone.

Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries
within 20 days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the
first request will test it. We also have a data protection act, which I
will hide behind. Tom Wigley has sent me a worried email when he
heard about it - thought people could ask him for his model code.
He has retired officially from UEA so he can hide behind that.” – Phil
Jones


I'll finish with the words of Phil Jones to show you the type of people that we are talking about here.
Quote:As you know, I’m not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political; it is being selfish.”



Edit: I should also mention this little fact. Phil Jones kept his word. He burned the data after Climate Gate.
Quote:SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/en...936328.ece
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