I think WS might be worthy of a blue % past level 8x. I'll go back to them, I'm sure, but at 76-79 it just seemed so slow trying to kill them, I wasn't getting good exp at all. They also have only 350 MP, so we can't leech much mana from them, and their invulnerability glitch means we (or I, at least) get hit more than we'd like to in certain areas of the map, which means more potions used. They could possibly be worthy of a blue $ because they do tend to drop good mesos and the mythical Ilbi, but I don't think you really make a huge profit there if you don't find stars.
WS have no ranged attack, but their ability to just ignore you is a pain if you land in a mob. Birks do have one, of course, and it's strong but not a 1HKO. If they're frozen, however, not a problem.
I think this map is better for mixed class training in parties, for example with my Hermit buddy we go through them pretty quickly, and having them frozen really helps her a lot. WS might be better for classes that can split the map, such as two I/L or party with a warrior that can kill them in 1-2 hits.
I should do some information-gathering here. If I grind on each of these for 30 minutes and track EXP and mesos earned, I'll have a better idea than just "how it feels" and know which one is faster/better. I'm level 80 at the moment and I don't have any godly equipment. I'll get back to you with the results in a day or two.
I almost forgot to mention, I should do the same with the Firebrand & Stormbreaker cave in Crimsonwood. I've spent a lot of time there lately; the exp seems good and you basically use zero mana potions because Firebrands have 5000 MP in their first form, 10,000 in the second form, and give a total of 3260 EXP if you kill both forms. Stormbreakers have 5000 MP and give 1650 EXP. This means if you have MP Eater at any level you should be keeping your mana bar full every time you AoE a group of them. Firebrands are weak to ice (duh!) so even though they are level 90 they are easy to take down using Ice Strike.
WS have no ranged attack, but their ability to just ignore you is a pain if you land in a mob. Birks do have one, of course, and it's strong but not a 1HKO. If they're frozen, however, not a problem.
I think this map is better for mixed class training in parties, for example with my Hermit buddy we go through them pretty quickly, and having them frozen really helps her a lot. WS might be better for classes that can split the map, such as two I/L or party with a warrior that can kill them in 1-2 hits.I should do some information-gathering here. If I grind on each of these for 30 minutes and track EXP and mesos earned, I'll have a better idea than just "how it feels" and know which one is faster/better. I'm level 80 at the moment and I don't have any godly equipment. I'll get back to you with the results in a day or two.
I almost forgot to mention, I should do the same with the Firebrand & Stormbreaker cave in Crimsonwood. I've spent a lot of time there lately; the exp seems good and you basically use zero mana potions because Firebrands have 5000 MP in their first form, 10,000 in the second form, and give a total of 3260 EXP if you kill both forms. Stormbreakers have 5000 MP and give 1650 EXP. This means if you have MP Eater at any level you should be keeping your mana bar full every time you AoE a group of them. Firebrands are weak to ice (duh!) so even though they are level 90 they are easy to take down using Ice Strike.