Kunagisa Wrote:>He doesn't know that American comics have such messed up power levels than one moment a superhero can lose to a snail and the next minute they're literally a god depending on the writer
Fully aware. The strongest Superman actually lives within the Sun and can beat Goku SSJ4 easily. To go more into details, the strongest Superman also has the power to deflect and also be immune to "Ki" (life energy in DBZ). Which is why all of Goku's attacks would be nullified, etc etc etc etc. But that's comparing the strongest Superman.
Superman =/= Batman
I haven't heard of anything about Batman having godly powers, unless you meant Batman obtaining Green Lantern's powers in the cartoons or in several issues, then yes I have.
Spoiler
Not always a valid source, but:
Quote:In the 853rd century the original Superman ("Superman Prime") still lives, but has spent over fifteen thousand years in a self-imposed exile in his Fortress of Solitude in the heart of the Sun, although he has left descendants, including "Kal Kent", the Superman of the 853rd century.
The galaxy is protected by the Justice Legions, which were inspired by the 20th-century Justice League and the 31st-century Legion of Super-Heroes, among others. Justice Legion Alpha, which protects the solar system, includes future analogues of Superman, Wonder Woman, Hourman, Starman, Aquaman, The Flash and Batman. Advanced terraforming processes made all the Solar System's planets habitable, with the ones most distant from the Sun being warmed by Solaris, a "star computer" which was once a villain but was reprogrammed by one of Superman's descendants.
Superman Prime announces that he will soon return to humanity and, to celebrate, Justice Legion Alpha travels back in time to the late 20th century to meet Superman's original teammates in the JLA, and bring them and Superman to the future to participate in games and displays of power as part of the celebration.
Meanwhile, in Russia, Vandal Savage defeats the Titans- consisting of Arsenal, Tempest, Jesse Quick and Supergirl - single handedly when they attempt to stop him purchasing nuclear powered Rocket Red suits. He then launches one of the Rocket Reds (with a Titan trapped inside each of the four) in a nuclear strike on Washington D.C.
Unfortunately one member of the Justice Legion (the future Starman) has been bribed into betraying his teammates by Solaris, who has returned to his old habits. Before the original heroes can be returned to their own time the future Hourman, an android, collapses and releases a virus programmed by Solaris to attack machines and humans.
The virus affects the guidance systems of the Rocket Red suits and cause one of them to instead detonate over Montevideo killing over a million people. Tempest - the Titan inside - had escaped long before the suit exploded by using the ice on the suit at high altitude, although he subsequently blacked out and fell into the sea. The virus also drives humans insane, causing an increase in anger and paranoia worldwide. Believing this was deliberately planned by the JLA to stop him, Savage launches an all out war on superhumans using "blitz engines" he had created and hidden while allied with Hitler during World War II. The paranoia caused by the virus also leads the Justice Legion Alpha and the contemporary heroes to attack each other, although the Justice Legion Alpha manage to coordinate themselves enough to stop the other Rocket Red suits from hitting Metropolis, Brussels and Singapore.
The remnants of the JLA that stayed in the present and the Justice Legion Alpha overcome their paranoia when the future Superman and Steel realize the significance of the symbol they both wear; as Huntress had pointed out to Steel earlier, wearing the 'S' means that he has to make the hard choices. The two JLAs are eventually able to stop the virus when it is discovered that it is a complex computer program looking for appropriate hardware. To provide this hardware the heroes are forced to build the body of Solaris (including in it a DNA sample of Superman's wife Lois Lane) and the virus flees from the Earth to this body, bringing Solaris to life. In a final act of repentance the future Starman sacrifices himself to banish Solaris from the solar system. The future Superman forces himself through time using confiscated time-travel technology he finds in the Watchtower, almost dying in the process due to the drain on his powers.
Meanwhile, in the 853rd century, the original JLA are fighting an alliance between Solaris and Vandal Savage. Savage has found a sample of kryptonite on Mars (where it was left by the future Starman in the 20th century), which he gives to Solaris. Savage has also hired Walker Gabriel to steal the time-travel gauntlets of the 853rd century Flash (John Fox) to ensure the Justice Legion remains trapped in the past. However, he ultimately doublecrosses Gabriel.
Solaris, in a final attack, slaughters thousands of superhumans so he can fire the kryptonite into the sun and kill Superman before he emerges. The JLA's Green Lantern — a hero who uses a power that Solaris has never encountered before — causes Solaris to go supernova and he and the 853rd century Superman contain the resulting blast — but not before the kryptonite is released.
The future Vandal Savage teleports from Mars to Earth using the stolen Time-Gauntlets. It turns out, however, that Walker Gabriel and Mitch Shelley, the Resurrection Man (an immortal who had become Savage's greatest foe through the millennia), had sabotaged the Gauntlets and Savage, instead of travelling only in space, also travels through time, arriving in Montevideo moments before the nuclear blast he caused centuries earlier, finally bringing his life to an end.
It is then revealed that a secret conspiracy — forewarned by the trouble in the 20th century, mainly in that Huntress, inspired by the time capsules which students in her class were currently making, realized they had centuries to foil the plot — has spent the intervening centuries coming up with a foolproof plan for stopping Solaris. Their actions included replacing the hidden kryptonite with a disguised Green Lantern ring, with which the original Superman emerges from the sun and finishes Solaris.
In the aftermath, the original Superman and the future Hourman use the DNA sample to recreate Lois Lane, complete with superpowers. Superman then also recreates Krypton, along with all its deceased inhabitants in Earth's Sol system. Lois and Superman apparently live happily ever after.
From DC One Million. Superman Prime is the strongest Superman, but once again, this is comparing with Prime vs SSJ4 Goku.
Things I can't find sauce on, but know is true:
-Superman Prime can close black holes (lolwat)
-Immune to all forms of Kryptonite
Refer to weaknesses. None. This comparison is pretty shoddy, because Prime is completely OP, and this how DC Comics does their sh`it. Not a Superman supporter, but just had to get this out there.
I know the strongest Superman vs the strongest Goku argument rather well, because I've done a rather worthwhile amount of research in the past. The strongest Goku is SSJ4, nothing higher, even if it's technically non-canon, he still exists. If we're involving fusions, it's no longer about Goku, but Goku & Vegeta. Not too sure on Krillin vs Batman. Nobody cares about sidekicks OR superheroes that has weak powers / no powers.
