[Module] Big Bang | Delays & Ranges

Brave Slash 1140ms compared to ACB advantage: -24.79%

All characters have clean weapons, stats of 999/23/4/4, and only have their own buffs (Combat Orders/PDRate/identical buffs not included).

 Results

Brave Slash 840ms compared to ACB advantage: +2.07%
Brave Slash 840ms compared to ACB no advantage: +48.78%
Brave Slash 1140ms compared to ACB advantage: -24.79%
Brave Slash 1140ms compared to ACB no advantage: +9.63%

I'm actually not too good with critical hit calculations, so I'm going to take for granted that those numbers are correct (Yes, I read them, and I can't seem to find anything wrong on the non-critical damage parts).

However, I would like to know how you got:
Non-Elemental damage = With crits * (135% + 12.5%) under ACB no advantage.

I'm going to proceed with posting my calculations done by pure skill % over time, without factoring in criticals (maybe you can explain how it works to me so we can try to figure something out solidly)...and the results are actually somewhat interesting. Please let me know if you find anything wrong with it.

But given your results, I don't understand this...if Braveslash/IS is indeed stronger than ACB where there is no elemental advantage, what are you complaining about? Is it not rightfully so that Paladins (and AMs) should excel at elementally weak targets? Most big bosses (HT, Zak, PB), last time I checked, have no elemental advantage. And stunning at bosses isn't even a concern at all since bosses can't be stunned.

With regards to some of the number posted by Anonymous Moose...please show how you obtained your calculations...it's very frustrating to try to check/believe validity of analysis when all you throw out is the final result.

Here are my calculations and analysis for multi-mob vs. single - without criticals...someone else can analyze/add to my results (which I think are a bit interesting compared to the numbers presented by others so far) based on criticals. These numbers are for post Restructuring. However, since Paladin and Hero both get boosts in Intrepid Slash and Blast/ACB, these results should still roughly reflect meta-game post BB prior to Restructuring (especially since Brandish remains unchanged from BB to Restructuring...as shown below~)

 Mobs

Brandish: 840 ms
Intrepid Slash: 840 ms

Brandish without Coma:
240% * 2 hits * 2 = 960% at 840 ms = 960% / .84 sec = 1142.857% / sec

Intrepid Slash without Coma:
225% * 3 hits * 2 = 1350 % at 1140 ms = 1350% / 1.14 sec = 1184.2% / sec

Coma: 840 ms? (I couldn't find extraction data to check...so I'm going off of experience based on playing a Crusader/Hero of friends)

If we were to calculate the effect of Coma on the overall DPS of Hero...then:

First of all, the probability of getting 2 orbs per attack is 80%, so on average, one can expect an average of 1/.8 hits (expectance of geometric distribution variable) before 2 orbs are charged. Thus, to charge 10 orbs, it would take an average of 5 * (1/.8) = 6.25 hits.

Since the damage increase of each additional orb obtained grows linearly, we may calculate the average damage done over 6.25 hits for Brandish and IS from 0 orbs to 10 orbs by simply: [(initial non-charged damage + final 10 orb damage) / 2 ] * 6.25

Brandish average damage: ([(240% * 2 hits) + (240% * 2 hits * 2) ] / 2) * 6.25 = 4500%
Since each Brandish is 840 ms, 6.25 hits of Brandish = 6.25 * 840ms = 5.25 seconds
Average DPS for 6.25 hits of Brandish (from initial 0 orbs to 10 orbs) = 4500% / 5.25 sec = 857.14% / sec

Intrepid Slash average damage: ([(225% * 3 hits) + (225% * 3 hits * 2) ] / 2) * 6.25 = 6328.125%
Since each Intrepid Slash is 1140 ms, 6.25 hits of Intrepid Slash = 6.25 * 1140ms = 7.125 seconds
Average DPS for 6.25 hits of Intrepid Slash (from initial 0 orbs to 10 orbs) = 6328.125% / 7.125 sec = 888.16% / sec

The above numbers are for when Coma is not used. Thus, if we add Coma and its additional damage and 840 ms delay to the result, we'll get as follows:

6.25 hits of Brandish/Intrepid Slash + 1 Coma = total hits
Coma damage is 400% per orb. So with 10 orbs, Coma = 4000% damage.

Brandish + Coma = 4500% + 4000% = 8500%
Time of Brandish + Coma = 6.25 * 840 ms + 840 ms = 6.09 sec
Average damage of 6.25 hits of Brandish + Coma = 8500% / 6.09 sec = 1395.73% / sec

Intrepid Slash + Coma = 6328.125% + 4000% = 10328.125%
Time of Intrepid Slash + Coma = 6.25 * 1140 ms + 840 ms = 7.965 sec
Average damage of 6.25 hits of Intrepid Slash + Coma = 10328.125% / 7.965 sec = 1296.69% / sec

Compared to Brandish and Intrepid Slash damage without Coma and with constantly fully charged orb:

So we can see from the results so far, for a Hero, the smartest thing to do given the current stats of Restructuring is actually to combine Brandish + Coma for mobs.

Now to compare this result to ACB:

ACB is 600 ms each hit

ACB (Post Restructuring):
Dual Charge Thunder + Holy no advantage: 510% * 1.35 * 1.25 = 860.625% at 600 ms = 860.625% / .6 = 1434.375% / sec
With any elemental advantage, the Paladin would be stronger. However, since I'm not entirely clear yet on Single Charge vs. Multi-Charge elemental advantage calculations (yes, there is a huge diff), I'm not going to delve deeper into this - but it makes sense that Paladins are (much) stronger at elemental mobs just like AMs with Elemental Wands on top of their innate skills.

Conclusion: On average, for target sizes of 2-3, Hero is slightly weaker than Paladin if they use Brandish + Coma. Without Coma, Hero will be much weaker after Restructuring if they stick to only Brandish and Intrepid Slash. For mobs of 4-7 (if we throw in CO), you may do your calculations and compare...I'm too lazy to type that out. If we factor in Hero's Combat Mastery, then roughly speaking, Paladin and Hero should be about equal on mobs with regards to ACB vs. Brandish + Coma.

 Single Target

Assuming that you have read the explanations for the derivations for multiple mobs above, I'm not going to go into as much details of explanation word-wise now.

Assuming Panic delay is also 840 ms (again, I can't find values in current extractions, so I'm going by experience)

Brandish + Enrage:
240% * 2 * 2 * 1.6 = 1536% at 840 ms = 1536% / .840 sec = 1828.57% / sec

Intrepid Slash + Enrage:
225% * 3 * 2 * 1.6 = 2160% at 1140 ms = 2160% / 1.14 sec = 1894.74% / sec

Brandish + Panic + Enrage:
1.6 * (4500% + 480% * 10) = 14880%
Delay: 6.25 * 840 ms + 840 ms = 6.09 sec
Average DPS: 2443.35% / sec

Intrepid Slash + Panic + Enrage:
1.6 * (6328.125% + 480% * 10) = 17805%
Delay: 6.25 * 1140 ms + 840 ms = 7.965 sec
Average DPS: 2235.41% / sec

Dual charge thunder + holy Blast no elemental advantage (if we do not factor critical - yes, I know this makes a huge diff now since Blast has inherent critical rate, but I'm honestly not too familiar with critical formulas atm):

300% * 3 * 1.35 * 1.25 = 1518.75% at 840 ms = 1518.75% / .84 sec = 1808.04% / sec

Conclusion: If I take for granted the value of Blast posted by Anonymous Moose, then for single target DPS, Brandish + Panic + Enrage is pretty on par with Blast.

So...after all said and done...

 Conclusions

With the current system as it is, it seems that Heros are not at a clear disadvantage compared to Paladins both on mobs and single target DPS. However, this requires that they use Coma and Panic with Brandish and ditch Intrepid Slash altogether. So while there may seem to be a damage balance (if Heros exploit Brandish + Coma/Panic -/+ Enrage), the Hero class itself would indeed need some rework on Intrepid Slash's delay so that Intrepid Slash is not useless - while still maintaining balance throughout 3rd and 4th job altogether...hm...well, maybe someone can critique these calculations. =)