How thorns (dual blader) works

You're doing it wrong. Combo doesn't multiply crits, so it'd be more like this...

Hero with SE = 1030%
Hero with Thorns + Ring = (260*1.9+125+10)*0.45 + (260*1.9)*0.55 = 555%
555%*2 = 1110%

All the rest of 'em are correct though.


I'm going to assume those ranges are max ranges rather than average. When I matched up each class with their max ranges, I got (more or less) the same numbers you got. However, at the stats that matched NLs with your max range for NLs, my Corsair was weaker than your Corsair. And when I matched up the Corsairs, your NL was stronger than mine. I'm not sure exactly how our imaginary shared gear differs, but I'm willing to bet the difference between their prospective ranges would be bigger than that.


Critical ring stacks with everything. SE probably stacks with Thorns. And Corsairs don't really matter anymore. Aran and especially Dual Bladers will be out-damaging everyone else by a long shot anyway.

For hero the way i did was right. It is multiplied in the end. Even Dusk's DPS excel spreadsheet has it the same way i do. Multipliers like combo, berzerk, shadow partner, bullseye, etc all multiply at the end.

NL range is max range but then i multiplied it by 0.75 to make it average range. For Corsair i multiplied by 0.77 for them since they have more mastery. I used the spreadsheets from this forum somewhere in corsair page where there is an accurate formulad spreadsheet where you plug in the equips stats and you get the range. So its all accurate and same equips for NLs. Only the weapons are different and some others instead of DEX/STR its LUK for NL, etc etc. So yeah the ranges are fine. There might be a small difference but its negligeable.

There is no way SE and Thorns will stack b/c thats just messed up. You can test it out in KMST, im sure it wont stack. Critical rings im not sure if they stack with thorns, i hope not, but even if they do its not so bad except for Corsairs the dmg is going to be massive.