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Dual Blade Mechanics
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Dual Blade Mechanics

This will basically be an FAQ sort of thread with less Q and more A. Hopefully not a lot of F either.
The goal of this thread will be to objectively determine how the Dual Blade character class works. Not whether or not this class is broken or makes other characters obsolete.
Your input would be greatly appreciated as long as it is constructive towards this goal.
 Change Log
First, I'll start off by clearing a very large misconception.
How do Blades work?
Blades are Blades. They are not Daggers. They are not Shields. They have their own attack. This attack is not added to their Dagger. Their Dagger attack is not added to their Blade.
A Dual Blade wields both a Dagger and a Blade. That's two weapons. When they use an attack, they will alternate with the weapon to deal damage. Half the attacks will be dealt with the Dagger, and the other half will be dealt with the Blade.
Blades have their own damage range.
Dual Blades are not broken because they have +x more weapon attack from their Blade.
When their character screen is displayed, the damage range shown uses a total attack from their Blade and Dagger. This is wrong. The damage range shown in their character screen is merely a visual error. They do not use this to deal damage, much like how an Aran can never hit the minimum range in their Polearm range.
It is most likely that any extra stats from a Blade do not affect the Dagger's range, and vice-versa. i.e. a Blade's +LUK most likely does not affect the Dagger's damage range, and a Dagger's +LUK most likely will not affect the Blade's damage Range.
More research into this area is required, but it is the most logical conclusion to assume that they are both completely independent of each other.

Calculating Damage
Claw/Dagger Formula:
Minimum Damage = [(3.6 * 0.9 * Mastery * LUK + STR + DEX) / 100] * WA
Maximum Damage = [(3.6 * LUK + STR + DEX) / 100] * WA
Dual Blade uses the same formula for Daggers and Blades. When calculating the range, do not add the Dagger's stats to the Blade's Range, and do not add the Blade's stats to the Dagger's Range.
Example character from Dusk's DPS chart:
117 Attack 7 LUK Dagger
65 Attack 7 LUK Blade
Total Stats without weapons: 33 Attack, 48 STR, 171 DEX, 1082 LUK

Displayed Ranged: 5052~8954
Dagger Range: 3504~6209
Blade Range: 2289~4056

The character display screen will show the Displayed Range. A Dual Blade will not be doing this much damage. Instead, a Dual Blade uses either their Dagger or Blade range depending on the hit of their skill; however, certain skills only hit once. These skills only use the Dagger Range, as far as we know. There may be exceptions.

Attack Speed Delays
Disclaimer: This chart does not account for any delays or 'cooldowns' between quick skill succession. At best, this char displays the minimum ~Normal (6) speed of all skills. For example, if Skill X has 600ms of delay, this at the least usually represents the amount of time before you are able to move after using the attack. At best, it represents the time before you can reuse the same attack.
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When observing Aran skill speeds, the skill delays proved to be a fairly accurate depiction of their actual speeds, outside of a single error with the Normal Attack's delay, which was part of Aran's combo attack mechanic, I believe. Thus, I believe we can use these as a basis for preliminary calculations. It would be, however, a great asset to have accurate readings of attack speeds for further precision.

Skills
When you attack a monster damage numbers appear in a certain order. They start at the bottom and rise upwards to display more numbers for attacks that hit more than once. As such, the bottom number of a multi-hit skill occurred first. This bottom number is a Dagger hit. The one above this hit is a Blade hit. The next is a Dagger hit, and so forth.

When calculating skill damage and DPS, it is required to separate the damage into its Blade and Dagger components first to determine the proper defense reduction and ratio of DPS that is applied from Dagger-only skills. For speed, the above chart can be used to compare Base DPS. The ratio is the same for every skill so unless you are comparing two different speed ranks, or two different classes, it is irrelevant. It is currently unknown how the Blade's speeds (Fast (3)) affect attack speed.

Triple Stab vs Fatal Blow

In this section, I would like to discuss the value of both skills as both are seemingly valuable in my opinion.
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Upper Stab
Fatal Blow & Triple Stab
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Triple Stab vs Slash and Bloody Storm vs Tornado Spin vs Flying Assaulter
Primary Mob Skills
 Triple Stab
 Slash and Bloody Storm

 Tornado Spin

 Flying Assaulter

 Upper Stab

Upper Stab
Mob Skill Combinations
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Mirror Image
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Chains of Hell

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Thorns
The Other SE
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Owl Dead
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Things to further elaborate on or acquire more information about:
Upper Stab + Mob skills.
Damage of Chains of Hell
Final Cut
Stack Effect
Thorns
Advanced Dark Sight
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Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 02:50 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Dusk - 2010-02-22, 02:57 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by KaidaTan - 2010-02-22, 03:36 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 04:03 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by KaidaTan - 2010-02-22, 04:20 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Locked - 2010-02-22, 04:25 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 04:31 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by cleric1213 - 2010-02-22, 06:02 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 06:09 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Link - 2010-02-22, 06:13 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 06:17 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Link - 2010-02-22, 06:21 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Locked - 2010-02-22, 06:31 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 07:01 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Locked - 2010-02-22, 07:12 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by cleric1213 - 2010-02-22, 07:26 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Dusk - 2010-02-22, 09:40 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by KaidaTan - 2010-02-22, 12:07 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Dusk - 2010-02-22, 12:49 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by KaidaTan - 2010-02-22, 01:04 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 07:02 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Kirov - 2010-02-22, 07:33 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Takebacker - 2010-02-22, 07:37 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Worthyness - 2010-02-22, 07:53 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-22, 07:55 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by GameMX - 2010-02-22, 09:17 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-23, 01:23 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Bribery - 2010-02-23, 02:23 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by KaidaTan - 2010-02-23, 06:08 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-02-23, 06:19 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Bribery - 2010-02-25, 10:50 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Jellyflower - 2010-02-25, 05:02 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by KaidaTan - 2010-02-25, 05:18 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Locked - 2010-02-25, 06:07 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by InfiniteFusion - 2010-02-27, 12:52 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-03-02, 06:19 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Akebo - 2010-03-02, 11:04 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-03-02, 03:22 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Richiee - 2010-03-08, 01:32 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Locked - 2010-03-08, 04:24 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Kalovale - 2010-03-08, 07:14 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-03-08, 07:37 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Kalovale - 2010-03-08, 07:41 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Takebacker - 2010-03-10, 03:29 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-03-10, 03:45 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Takebacker - 2010-03-10, 03:47 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-03-10, 03:54 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Locked - 2010-03-10, 04:51 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Takebacker - 2010-03-11, 03:06 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Neothisis - 2010-05-19, 04:48 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Blup - 2010-05-19, 08:05 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-05-19, 08:58 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Neothisis - 2010-05-21, 10:32 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-05-21, 10:45 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Cyanne - 2010-07-03, 08:16 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by JoeTang - 2010-07-04, 12:55 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Sn1perJohnE - 2010-07-04, 01:19 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Cyanne - 2010-07-04, 01:45 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Hanabira.Kage - 2010-07-04, 01:47 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Neothisis - 2010-07-04, 11:26 AM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Cyanne - 2010-07-04, 02:09 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Hanabira.Kage - 2010-07-04, 07:24 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Dusk - 2010-07-04, 07:33 PM
Dual Blade Mechanics - by Hanabira.Kage - 2010-07-04, 07:37 PM

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