Pokemon 5th gen confirmed 100%

Also @ hazzy/kiyo: the point isn't how "powerful" they are (honestly only idiots who play competitively care about this anyway because you can get through the games with literally any pokemon at a decent level) it's about a trend of devaluing old pokemon by turning them into new ones.

As one of those idiots, Just about every pokemon they gave an extra evolutionary chain to needed it deeply. Although Magmar and Electabuzz looked cool, they needed that little boost. Lucario stands out on the same level as Electavire and Magmortar, but alot of pokemon that were origionaly released with a single form needed a baby form and/or an evolution to stand out. Seriously, who wanted a Roselia until Roserade came around?