2009-08-25, 01:21 PM (This post was last modified: 2009-08-25, 01:49 PM by fiftyschmooo.)
i did a wack load of calculations, and from what i found out even with a MoN's +300 hp that you are a few hundred hp shy of the theorized hp mark for PB.. i assume you would be able to with a few hp items to sac some damage but in this case.. im not sure people would want you for PB if your down a bunch of attack cause at the moment... it hasent really been beaten cause they cant deal enough damage in the time frame, theyre getting closer tho... so they would probally opt to take a Washed char with all their attack items.. and hp washing is also effective cause you can pb in liek 17X or 18X instead of waiting till you hit 200 (since a lot of people seem to quit @ 200 anyways....) imma go look for the thread somene made for min hp for PB and link it in here... gonna take me a little find it tho,,, havent seen it in ages
is the thread i was speaking of and this post in the spoiler specifically stats the hp required before HB on it (on avg, cause it will vary if you have a HT pendant or a MoN due to the def values)
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Dustinthemap Wrote:Using ME is garbage at pb. I’ll explain in the following paragraph but if we were to go with that plan with a group of Shadowers - it would be easier if they just set up meso at the left side and then warriors rush pb to the left or wherever(maybe a little right to the throne,) so they aren’t constantly being bombarded by pb’s attacks. It would be less hectic and much easier. The only problem would be to move ranged about face from pb so they don’t get hit but who knows.
Using ME would be obsolete because last I remember, it takes just exactly 3minutes before any item disappears from when it is dropped and within this time frame, I think an average to pro-ish Shadower could set off about 14 to 18 explosions before they all of the meso poofs. 14 explosions * 20 sacks * 10k a sack = 2,800,000 mesos in 3minutes. The damage ME does is just about three times the amount dropped so that’s only ~9m dmg in 3minutes. (Believe me on this. I’ve done a lot of testing ME with zak back then.) Account for the time to heal and getting into ds and re-buffing mg, it’s a lot of unnecessary work. A Shadower within pb’s level with max BS and max assassinate could deal well over 4m per minute.
If you want to talk about the neutral immunity from pb, then yeah, ME does sound good but I don’t think it’s worth it because too risky. If a server does really get far based on this plan, I would be impressed. ~21 minutes left with pb and three shadowers? That’s at least 150m dmg with ME, less than a tenth of pb’s total hp and also about a tenth of the squad’s power. I certainly wouldn’t dismiss the idea. Just make sure you have competent runners and figure out when/how to heal. Just hiding in smoke is a waste of a minute.
Base HP for up to phase 5 - 5.3k (Whytebar from Windia lasted up to there)
Base HP for PB's Gen - 7.5k (~12k hit from it in misc videos)
Base HP for Ariel's Gen - 8.1k (Ranged shouldn't be up at the topmost platform anyway. Refer to Plana Phase 6 video on youtube.)
(its the 5.3K but this is IF you know how to Duck at a moments notice which CAN be hard to do whilst in your battleship but is do able) you can also test doing this @ pap if you want to and my current HP @ lvl 175 is 5704 with a MoN and i washed 41 times exactally (grabbed 2 of the 20 bundles of resets when they were cheap and a 5 bundle and i got 4 resets left) and to achieve this ammount of washing was not hard at all... that being said i got my Zhelm as soon as i had enough hp (without MoN and without any hp gear) and i always had a Dep Star or MoN equipped so i was only gainig 2 int every lvl till 165 then got some int gear to get up to 70 total int which was only a few hunderd mill and i could pb prety much @ lvl 172
