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Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Murderer can be considered as an objective substantive, and inhuman can be either positive, negative or neutral, so that's also out of the question. However, scoundrel and scum usually refers to people you consider as negative beings, doing something bad to the world. And that's where your objectiveness fades away, as you cannot use this without stating what point of view you're viewing from. "Hitler was a scum" is not an objective phrase, as some people does not consider Hitler as a scum. If Hitler were a direct murderer, or an indirect one may also be questionable. I don't know if Hitler killed anyone apart from himself, and even then, you have to question whether suicide is murder or not. Sheesh, too much.

From my point of view though, calling Hitler a scum would not usually turn into a flamewar, but it could possibly question your objectivity.

Hitler created a government whose ideological foundation was that certain people are superior to others, and the superior people are entitled to everything, including the enslavement of the inferior people. He supplanted legitimate religions with neo-paganism, and his ideology was irrational and arbitrary. Eventually, this ideology was amended from "enslavement" to "murder." The Nazis began by killing retarded people, and moved on to groups such as Catholics, gypsies, Jews, and homosexuals. In the concentration camps, which were essentially murder factories, human body parts such as hair and skin, were harvested to create ghastly "household items" such as lamps and soap. Unethical scientific experiments were done which tortured and murdered the subject. Gestapo turned neighbor against neighbor, and people were murdered based on rumors. Ethics were considered "inferior" and the Germans were called on to be "hard," which basically means unethical. The Nazis knowingly used various forms of lies through all media as propaganda to indoctrinate their message. Hitler's positive contributions to Germany ended up being completely negated as the country was defeated through a pincer of Americans and Brits on one side, and the Russians on the other. In all, Hitler caused 22 million deaths between the civilian and military casualties. More ominously, even after Hitler's downfall, his freak ideology was seeded in other parts of the world. In the Middle East, a close friend of Hitler's, the Grand Mufti, trained the next generation of leaders, and today the Middle East is the last true bastion of fascism in the world. Even in the liberal Western states such as America, Nazism has insidiously seeped into the cultural psyche, as liberal democratic Americans nevertheless hold blonde haired, blue eyed, strong/beautiful men and women as superior to others; and there is a significant portion of the population that believes in strength over morality, (in business, politics, etc,) which was not something you could openly hold superior before Hitler's time.

Everything I said above is Hitler's direct fault, he is held by history to have put this in motion, to control his subordinates in running this freak show, and he was directly responsible for lying to Europe and then attacking it without provocation. WWII is very unusual in history in that it WAS pretty close to being a war between good and evil. Hitler made the evil, and historians are pretty sure that had he not come to power, there would have been a small, limited war and that would have been the end of it.

All I've said here is historically true, the vast majority of it straight out of history books. Now look me straight in the face and tell me it's not objectively necessary to note that Hitler was "scum." You might use other words, such as "utterly evil," but it's pretty hard to describe Nazi Germany without personal attacks. It was that bad.


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