2009-05-22, 12:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 2009-05-22, 01:29 AM by ShadyPriest.)
Most of the bishop population likely won't quit if this change was implemented. But just because they don't quit, does it mean that it's a good thing to implement? Does it mean that a large number of bishops will just "shrug it off"? Does it mean that it won't dissatisfy most of the bishop population?
I think it's clear that neckson america decided to implment the wands/staves the way that they are in-game now. The elemental weapons lack the "proper names" and desriptions found in other versions of maplestory, and people in-game can sometimes not fully underatand the elemental boosts for each because of that. They once said that different versions of maple can have different things in response to an elemental weapons ticket, implying that the way they work now is intended. The fact that they changed the weapons from having no elemental properties at all to boosting archmages relatively soon after their release show they have alreadly thoroughly thought about this issue before. neckson america likes being different, from their trademark bad customer service, to their awkward advertisements for maplestory, to different namings for things in-game, to how the elemental weapons work in-game now.
Another thing to note is that is that the weapons have respectively been like this in-game for a long time now (over a year?). There's valid reasons for this, and it would be irresponsible for neckson to suddenly alter how the weapons work in-game. There's a lot of unbalanced things in this game, but neckson doesn't change them suddenly, because they know the people in-game have gradually come to adapt to these imbalances. It's like how most skill updates are based upon improving "underdog" classes, instead of nerfing widely-agreed-on-overpowered classes.
The main motive driving you to convince others and neckson to change them seems to be for "class justice". I'd like to point out this proposal can "somewhat" create more balance, but it doesn't really fix much class balance. It is a unneccessary change that will simply make a sizeable portion of the maplestory population pissed. I'd also like to point out that rather, the lukless wands shouldn't exist. If they had never existed, the gap between luk and lukless magicians would be closer (although still more favoured towards the lukless side). If they had never existed, it would create more balance than this proposal could ever accomplish. If lukless wands never existed, than bishops wouldn't be using elemental weapons in the first place, even without the 75% penalty (other than for looks). But this would probably piss the maple population even more. And reduce gach sales. Another thing is I think the magician class is overpowered anyway. Bishops because they simply are, and the enormous boost given to archmages by the elemental weapons. Archmages' exclusion out of bosses is a flaw in game mechanics, and bishops could've had a 20% decrease in genesis power in return for fulfulling more of their support role. But whatever.
Conclusion: Leave the weapons the way they are in-game now, because most of the maple population has already adapted to the fact that they lack the 75% multiplier penalty for bishops. neckson has valid motives for how they currently work in-game: to generate the most income, and to please the most number of people. "But look at how often debates like this are made!" Does changing the way these weapons work please more people, or cause fustration and more debate?
If they do implement the penalty in-game, then they should also implement the proper names and descriptions for these elemental weapons.
You're not taking into account how cheap (for the weapons anyway - eg. maple shine wand/wisdom staff vs. doomsday staff) and readily available lukless gear is. Also, lukless gear lasts "forever", while the luk mage will have to constantly change equips every so often from leveling. Another thing that bothered me when i had a luk priest was that fact that the maple weapons also had hp and mp bonuses, and that lukless had more mp.
I think it's clear that neckson america decided to implment the wands/staves the way that they are in-game now. The elemental weapons lack the "proper names" and desriptions found in other versions of maplestory, and people in-game can sometimes not fully underatand the elemental boosts for each because of that. They once said that different versions of maple can have different things in response to an elemental weapons ticket, implying that the way they work now is intended. The fact that they changed the weapons from having no elemental properties at all to boosting archmages relatively soon after their release show they have alreadly thoroughly thought about this issue before. neckson america likes being different, from their trademark bad customer service, to their awkward advertisements for maplestory, to different namings for things in-game, to how the elemental weapons work in-game now.
Another thing to note is that is that the weapons have respectively been like this in-game for a long time now (over a year?). There's valid reasons for this, and it would be irresponsible for neckson to suddenly alter how the weapons work in-game. There's a lot of unbalanced things in this game, but neckson doesn't change them suddenly, because they know the people in-game have gradually come to adapt to these imbalances. It's like how most skill updates are based upon improving "underdog" classes, instead of nerfing widely-agreed-on-overpowered classes.
The main motive driving you to convince others and neckson to change them seems to be for "class justice". I'd like to point out this proposal can "somewhat" create more balance, but it doesn't really fix much class balance. It is a unneccessary change that will simply make a sizeable portion of the maplestory population pissed. I'd also like to point out that rather, the lukless wands shouldn't exist. If they had never existed, the gap between luk and lukless magicians would be closer (although still more favoured towards the lukless side). If they had never existed, it would create more balance than this proposal could ever accomplish. If lukless wands never existed, than bishops wouldn't be using elemental weapons in the first place, even without the 75% penalty (other than for looks). But this would probably piss the maple population even more. And reduce gach sales. Another thing is I think the magician class is overpowered anyway. Bishops because they simply are, and the enormous boost given to archmages by the elemental weapons. Archmages' exclusion out of bosses is a flaw in game mechanics, and bishops could've had a 20% decrease in genesis power in return for fulfulling more of their support role. But whatever.
Conclusion: Leave the weapons the way they are in-game now, because most of the maple population has already adapted to the fact that they lack the 75% multiplier penalty for bishops. neckson has valid motives for how they currently work in-game: to generate the most income, and to please the most number of people. "But look at how often debates like this are made!" Does changing the way these weapons work please more people, or cause fustration and more debate?
If they do implement the penalty in-game, then they should also implement the proper names and descriptions for these elemental weapons.
Dusk Wrote:Actually since luk mages get a whopping 37 extra stats out of ZHelm + HT Pendant, 4 stats from base luk, and some 10-20 stats from being able to use higher level class gear they're really not far behind the level 64 weapons at all. It's the Ele wands that break the balance completely.
You're not taking into account how cheap (for the weapons anyway - eg. maple shine wand/wisdom staff vs. doomsday staff) and readily available lukless gear is. Also, lukless gear lasts "forever", while the luk mage will have to constantly change equips every so often from leveling. Another thing that bothered me when i had a luk priest was that fact that the maple weapons also had hp and mp bonuses, and that lukless had more mp.