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Talk to Nexon about Elemental Wands/Staves
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eos367 Wrote:Do you seriously think Elemental Wands & Staves are truly a key driving factor in the purchase of Gachapon tickets at this point? That might've been a possibility 10 months ago when they first came out, but today?

As for your sky is falling the world will end people will quit - Neither result will have a noticable impact on the natural ebb and flow of player interest. People will be mad either way, a few people who are looking for excuse to quit any way might actually do it, but those same people are just likely to be back in three weeks peaching about something else.

If it's corrected now, it's not a problem in the future. Population steadily rises, so the sooner a problem is eliminated the less people who are impacted by it. Ripping the band aid off now will hurt a lot less than if they wait another 10 months before deciding it's screwy.

They aren't? When a clean Ele wand goes for 1.2Bill or more, that isn't cause for people to spend hundreds of dollars on gach (incidentally there's a sale going on for Gach too)? Like I said, people will be mad either way, but as it stands right now, how many archmages have really justified quitting/have quit because of the situation? There are going to be many bishops affected by this, and there's going to be zero incentive to ever gach at NLC either. Bishops WILL quit if Nexon imposes a reduction, many of whom (if they were rich enough to afford an ele wand in the first place) spend NX like no other. Archmages WILL quit if Nexon says everything goes along as is, many of whom subscribe to the belief that bishops are responsible for some 70-80% of the demand for ele wands and that a reduction would bring these things down proportionally to suit their price range (because we all like to play with stereotypes of rich bishops and poor archmages amirite). That's a financial hit Nexon is not going to want to pursue at a time when things WORK as is and the goal is to RETAIN their player base, not lose it.

The population does steadily rise, but prices for Ele wands have gone down from their initial outset. Furthermore, it has now become somewhat of a holding pattern that most bishops will buy the 6 and 8 wands rather than the 5 and 7 wands, simply because ARCHMAGE demand for them is low compared to the primary attribute wands. Over time, it's likely that the prices will continue to decline, but the central fact to come to terms with is that this is a cash cow like no other. I literally cannot think off the top of my head a clean weapon that is more expensive than an ele wand, and Nexon has no need, nor the community more QQ, to address this issue conclusively.

Quote:Oh, nice strawman argument.
Also, no. We do not have a restriction on that kind of thing unless the topic gets out of hand, or you start it with the soul intention of trolling. (Much like your post.)

...This is trolling? I presented a legitimate argument as to the position that most bishops subscribe to, and you call it trolling? I'm glad we ain't discussing politics, thats for sure >_>;;

Quote:Lol, I'm pretty sure I saw you get called a commie (or close to it) a few times in the past =P coughnoprizesforguessingwhocough

This whole thread makes me laugh. At the end of the day its just a game. People really don't need to get so worked up over something that really doesn't matter. Next thing, people will argue that AM's need HS to complement their solo attacking.
(Oh and @ Magus - I see a crapton a mages of ALL classes selling leech)

Hey, the red ar(ch)m(age)y is about to confiscate all bishop-owned ele wands...don't make me tell 'em what color yours is Rolleyes Maplestory is srs bznis.

Quote:We've already had many discussions on genesis. And no, by no means should Bishops out damage Arch Mages by far, especially on the end game training map.I hear the Time Temple maps are too big for ultimates to be efficient, meaning Skelegons are still the best option. Now why shouldn't Bishops be stronger? One reason: They're a friggin' support class. I think they should be able to do damage, but not that much damage. It's like a combat medic doing as much damage as a heavy right now.

If anyone asks, I was not the one that started this conversation about Genesis -_-

Bishops outdamage Archmages BARELY on a monster that they're STRONG at. Is this really too much to ask for? Bishops are pretty much useless at virtually any other training location besides the one they've specifically been sequestered at (skeles), and even there they barely edge out an archmage with an ele wand (and that's with Gen30...how many bishops really do manage to pony up that much money to buy it). Support class we are, but all 4th job mages are powerhouses. The fact that Archmages 2Hit skeles/Newties by the time we 2Hit Skeles basically confirms the disparity that goes on here. Archmages can expect to be able to Onehit Newties/Nest Golems some time in their 18x for decently equipped/stat'd...No bishop in memory can consistently one hit them with Genesis. Archmages are very much significantly stronger than bishops, and while I'm not saying that their class is "perfected" to the degree that bishops are, there's certainly no need to NERF bishops to "equalize" them with archmages (more rather to pump archmages up). And honestly, for all the complaints that Archmages have, I don't see nearly as much whining going on from the classes that REALLY get left out (Paladins and Shadowers).

Quote:And the Bishop buying up all the different colors is rare, and it's also completely wasteful while it's useful for AMs. Fire/ Ice weapons are for training, while Lightning/Poison is for bossing. Right now all I have is a lightning staff, which brings my ice damage up to 154%. With an ice staff, It's brought up to 175%. That's a 13% increase in damage. Bishops get what, 30 more MA over a doomsday? 50 if you include the base luk? With, let's say 1200 MA, that increases damage by 4%. So those 4 wands that greedy Bishop is using because they're pretty could instead increase 2 AMs damage greatly in both bossing and training.


Why the heck should it matter how a bishop spends his/her money? This game is very much based on a market economy, and the concept of a "greedy" bishop is EXTREMELY hypocritical when the fact of the matter is that many on this board and elsewhere that harbor animosity towards bishops purchasing ele wands do so because they secretly hope that prices would plummet as a result of ele wands incurring reductions, thereby ruining bishops all around and taking a significant hit on Nexon's finances too. I suppose we really should institute land reform while we're at it because it sounds to me like you have a problem with the fundamental concept of haves and have nots being dictated by their ability to purchase said items.

Quote:Also, what idiot still goes to gacha because they want elemental wands? Sure, they'd be happy if they got one, but nobody goes to gacha because they want to get a wand.

What idiot would go to NLC gach otherwise o_O;; For the Goggleemoticon ? The fact that some of these wands are gached at Mushroom shrine also suggests that people are more inclined to gach there, increasing the supply of dark scrolls even more so and making scrolled items cheaper in general. While the wands themselves are not necessarily the central reason why people gach, the simple fact that there is a chance to obtain one, as well as other things is an incentive that steers many to spend money on gach, especially those on the fence about the matter.


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Talk to Nexon about Elemental Wands/Staves - by draconius - 2009-05-18, 04:57 PM

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