2009-05-18, 03:51 PM
If it's just grade school throwing notes away... Well, if you don't want someone to see something, you obviously shouldn't throw it away where that person might find it. Wait until you're home and put it somewhere where your parents/siblings won't look, like the bathroom trash can or something.
It's the same, to a higher degree, with people getting their identities stolen because they didn't shred mail and such. Yes, it's wrong to use such documents to steal someone's identity. But the victim should have never let that situation happen in the first place... Same for government breaches and such. When a hacker gets into an improperly secured website, I think both the hacker and the website admin are equally to blame, in different ways... The hacker for malevolence, and the admin for negligence. (Although that isn't a "thrown away" situation, it seems similar to me because the information is being put in a public place.)
Although I think it's kind of being a plantain to pick up items someone drop-gamed or dropped to show off, there shouldn't be any community sanctions or anything. It's really hard to "accidentally" drop something in Maple. Same situation in real life... Well, I'd have more contempt for someone who picked up and read a note that was carelessly dropped on the floor, because people can be genuinely klutzes. And if it were something valuable like a wallet or a diamond ring, then yes, that's stealing. Like it's still stealing to rob a house that was left unlocked... even though the owners were careless to leave it so, that doesn't mean it's public property.
Actually, the last situation is making me re-think whether I think taking advantage of someone dropping Ilbis is stealing or not. Hmm. I'll think about it.
Adoption is different to me, and it depends a lot on the terms of the adoption. Traditionally, it was literally like throwing a child away... with closed adoptions, the birth parents give up all rights, including visitation. Nowadays there are more and more open adoptions, where the birth parents get some contact with their child or at least progress reports of a kind. In an open adoption, yes, a birth parent has whatever legal rights the adoption gives them, unless the adoptive parents sue to end the openness if the birth parent is really a deadbeat. In a closed adoption... Well, I feel it's for the adoptive parents to decide if the birth parent can have contact with the child. The adoptive parents should have the final decision about the child's life, since that's what adoption means, of course, unless it is a matter serious enough for the government to step in. (Child abuse, denying education, etc.) If the birth parent knew about such a situation, they have the same right and responsibility as anyone else to report it to the government.
I believe that regardless of the adoption type, a birth parent should have the option of contacting their child when the child is of legal age, and that then it's up to the child whether they want to keep up a relationship or not. That's the same as the rights any consenting human being has to contact another.
It's the same, to a higher degree, with people getting their identities stolen because they didn't shred mail and such. Yes, it's wrong to use such documents to steal someone's identity. But the victim should have never let that situation happen in the first place... Same for government breaches and such. When a hacker gets into an improperly secured website, I think both the hacker and the website admin are equally to blame, in different ways... The hacker for malevolence, and the admin for negligence. (Although that isn't a "thrown away" situation, it seems similar to me because the information is being put in a public place.)
Although I think it's kind of being a plantain to pick up items someone drop-gamed or dropped to show off, there shouldn't be any community sanctions or anything. It's really hard to "accidentally" drop something in Maple. Same situation in real life... Well, I'd have more contempt for someone who picked up and read a note that was carelessly dropped on the floor, because people can be genuinely klutzes. And if it were something valuable like a wallet or a diamond ring, then yes, that's stealing. Like it's still stealing to rob a house that was left unlocked... even though the owners were careless to leave it so, that doesn't mean it's public property.
Actually, the last situation is making me re-think whether I think taking advantage of someone dropping Ilbis is stealing or not. Hmm. I'll think about it.
Adoption is different to me, and it depends a lot on the terms of the adoption. Traditionally, it was literally like throwing a child away... with closed adoptions, the birth parents give up all rights, including visitation. Nowadays there are more and more open adoptions, where the birth parents get some contact with their child or at least progress reports of a kind. In an open adoption, yes, a birth parent has whatever legal rights the adoption gives them, unless the adoptive parents sue to end the openness if the birth parent is really a deadbeat. In a closed adoption... Well, I feel it's for the adoptive parents to decide if the birth parent can have contact with the child. The adoptive parents should have the final decision about the child's life, since that's what adoption means, of course, unless it is a matter serious enough for the government to step in. (Child abuse, denying education, etc.) If the birth parent knew about such a situation, they have the same right and responsibility as anyone else to report it to the government.
I believe that regardless of the adoption type, a birth parent should have the option of contacting their child when the child is of legal age, and that then it's up to the child whether they want to keep up a relationship or not. That's the same as the rights any consenting human being has to contact another.