Pokerman Wrote:He is finding a new host for CEF in another country that does not have the DMCA laws.Precisely my point, this is chilling free speech. That is not the intent of the DMCA nor is it a proper application of said law. The host is a peach for crumbling so easily without proof of copyright on certain articles (because you CANNOT use the Terms of Service as an argument in a DMCA complaint, that's a completely separate matter from copyright) such as Cheat Engine. They do not hold the rights to Cheat Engine. Nothing they hold the rights to is directly affected by Cheat Engine. Cheat Engine is a general purpose application that does not include any of Nexon's proprietary material - modified or otherwise.
Lloyd Korn attacked CEF by threatening the host, which make the hoster panic and stop hosting for Dark Byte.
Furthermore, this is causing provable damage to a party. Would you like to foot the bill to do what DarkByte is doing because Nexon is being overly zealous in its copyright infringement claims? No, you wouldn't. And you shouldn't have to.
In short, I hope Nexon gets it before someone has the resources to fight back. I'm not a lawyer, but even by the most reasonable current copyright law standards, this goes too far.
Pokerman Wrote:Private servers affect me in no way so I really do not care about them.Incorrect. Even if you've never played on one, apparently they're "doing so much damage to Nexon" (even though this does not logically make sense) that Nexon is struggling to become, you know, a company that cares. That does affect every user playing the game. Whether or not that's a positive thing is another matter entirely.
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RoxStarz Wrote:I find this arguement that Nexon isn't within their rights to do what they are doing humorous. Maybe the challenges would hold up in court, maybe they wouldn't, but what is wrong with trying? It is blatantly obvious that the other side is causing harm to not only Nexon, but us as players. We should be thankful Nexon is taking out the stops to stop this.They're within their rights to send copyright infringement notices to Cheat Engine's host and DarkByte. They exceed this boundary the second they mention the ToS and things that they do not have the copyright to (such as Cheat Engine itself). I've already specified WHY your mentality is a dangerous one. It's dangerous because you aren't caring about the future. Can you picture the precedent set when a gaming company says, "Well, hey. You know what? I don't like what you're talking about. Take it down or see us in court." Yeah, it might work for now. Nexon might never abuse this power. But eventually someone will. The fact is that when you give up rights, you can't take them back without a long, arduous, hollow fight. And this isn't about copyright, it's about the right to speech.
When you get on a gun and step on the battlefield don't be surprised when the other side starts shooting at you. These hackers have gone to war with Nexon and now Nexon is returning fire. You may not like it, but that is the way it is.
How about this one? Nexon is going to war with free speech.
RoxStarz Wrote:After repeatedly being KS'ed by hackers at Big Foot, Anego, and Headless Horseman I have absolutely no remorse for hackers and the people/sites/institutions that make or promote them. Hackers are bad for the game. We don't want them. We aren't sorry for them or the sites that promote them. We are glad Nexon is playing hardball.OH, okay. So it's okay for them to try to destroy free speech because you've been KSed a couple times. That makes perfect sense.
On the arguement that "Nexon should improve their game" to shut down private servers. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have heard. Nexon is improving there game, but no matter how much they improved it Private Servers would exist as long as they were allowed too regardless of the quality of Nexon's product. Private Servers exist because players want to altar the game experience. They want to take the short cut to getting to 200. I don't have a problem with private servers and player continued environments after the game has been discontinued and abandoned. As long as the company is still servicing the game allowing PS to exist simply is a cancer taking away from the game.
Free speech isn't about protecting popular speech (e.g. I don't like hackers, they ruin the game), it's about protecting unpopular speech (DarkByte's RIGHT to make and distribute Cheat Engine). Popular speech doesn't need protecting. Nobody cares if you have remorse for them, but if you don't respect and defend their rights, there will be nobody left by the time things come around to your rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
Thread officially Godwin'd.
FYI, don't talk about stuff you don't know about. I'm very familiar with private servers. Most people there are only there because they have complaints about Nexon. Some are stupid, i.e. "they won't let me hack," but the majority of the reasons involve how they run their game.
The fact that power guilds can KS for countless hours and get no bans (even after repeated offenses that Nexon took action on), the fact that their customer service is slow and automated ticket responses fly out left and right, and their next-to-0 GM presence... These combine to make up the majority of the reasons why people seek alternatives in the first place.
Would private servers exist if they improve enough? Yes. Would there be a lot of support for them? Not on your life.
Also, this man knows what he's talking about:
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