2009-02-19, 08:31 PM
Hmmm... I'm kind of having a hard time seeing how pumping SP into sharp eyes takes priority over pumping into boost. I'll probably do some actual number crunching with my own stats and see what they come out to, and if sharp eyes wins, I'll max it immediately after 6 boost and the 1-pointers. For those saying that I'll want max SE for bossing, I'm pretty sure anyone would accept any archer no matter how low his or her SE level is, as long as it has a decent timer, just for the fact that they get SE. Also, I'm quite sure I'll be taking pierce before snipe, unless we're still stuck with leafre by the end of the year.
Remember that mastery books, etc. don't matter to me because I'm pretty sure I can get my hands on them and get one to pass by the time I need it. Oh, and about the 1-pointer thing, I'll probably be training at newties, typhons, or maybe crimson guardians if they're feasible at 120-125, and frostprey don't really possess much of an advantage over eagle at any of these places (summoning rock cost doesn't matter to me). Dragon's breath is pretty useless at these places too, and snipe's long cooldown makes me reluctant to be too worried about not getting it earlier (frostprey and dragon's breath seem funner to me).
And yeah, I'm pretty sure I won't get that far before the release of time temple =]
Thanks for showing me that calculation, I'm actually kind of surprised by the outcome. I'll try some number crunching with my own stats =]
I'm pretty sure time temple will be out soon, which is why I'm leaning toward pierce as early as possible. I'm also going snipe before dragon's breath for sure because in my opinion, any mob of over 4 monsters in a straight line in front of me is a pierce-ready mob, and snipe at 4/5 seconds would really speed up the killing of strays.
Thanks for all the input, everyone =]
Dusk Wrote:I wholly support the 3 SE at level 120. It makes the most sense to me, unless you're constantly partied with a higher level archer that can SE you. That's what I did, because 30 seconds is the MINIMUM timer I can stand on a buff. 30 seconds still isn't enough if you have to SE mid/top while bottoming Newties.
I'd do 1 FP at 121 and 1 SE 1 DB 1 MM Boost at 122. MM Boost helps your damage, but that first point in FP instantly removes the need for summoning rocks at Newties, which are a pain in the ass to have to carry around. DB is an extremely useful skill combined with Blizzard and worth leaving SE at 6 for another level. After that, continue with 3 SE and MM Boost.
You'll want Sharp Eyes sooner if you want to boss earlier. I'd get Boost to 6, then go 15 SE before getting more Boost. You'll be more wanted in parties, and it's actually more beneficial to your damage than straight Boost*. Otherwise, looks fine.
I can't really comment on the Pierce and Snipe, as I'm a (former) BM, not a MM. I can only say that I would personally max SE before maxing either skill, unless Time Temple comes out before you get there.
*At least according to Kevvl: he says max SE 1 Boost > Max Boost 1 SE
I'm actually interested in this myself, as I'm thinking about starting a MM as a side project after hitting Corsair.
Remember that mastery books, etc. don't matter to me because I'm pretty sure I can get my hands on them and get one to pass by the time I need it. Oh, and about the 1-pointer thing, I'll probably be training at newties, typhons, or maybe crimson guardians if they're feasible at 120-125, and frostprey don't really possess much of an advantage over eagle at any of these places (summoning rock cost doesn't matter to me). Dragon's breath is pretty useless at these places too, and snipe's long cooldown makes me reluctant to be too worried about not getting it earlier (frostprey and dragon's breath seem funner to me).
And yeah, I'm pretty sure I won't get that far before the release of time temple =]
Kevvl Wrote:Aya, that is indeed true. I'll do the math real quick, using a random damage range from damage-ranges.com
Ok, this one.
Judging by his total Dex and Attack, he has 134 W-Att.
Judging by his Minimum Range, he has 65% mastery.
With that damage range, his DPH would be 15,184 average, without any SE.
Make it max SE, and his DPH is 25,271 .18
Give him Max Boost, his range would becomes 2974~3633
That makes his average DPH 24,645 with level 1 SE.
Sure, it's a bit extreme to only have 1 SE, but it's the same idea with more. SE is a constant additive, put it on a graph, and it'll go up in damage with a very slight variation in curve when the activation % goes up.
Saph also did one.
SpoilerAs to the TS's questions...
1) Not if you're poor. MM boost is a great alternative, the damage difference is fairly slight. Personally, I'm hunting Pianus daily for my SE. Failed 2 books so far ^^;
2) As the rest of my post has shown, Snipe first is great for soloing certain bosses, but practically, a bad idea. With the KMST updates, you'd even make decent exp sniping Crimson Guardians (No Strafe required, although you can bet it'd help).
[spoiler=Snipe @ CG's]
With the KMST updates, we're talking "Decent"!
900 Snipes Per hour, 1 CG per Snipe, 6200 EXP per CG.
900 * 6200 = 5,580,000 EXP/hour.
50,662,758 EXP to level from 130 -> 131.
10.62% per hour.
Heh...
[/spoiler]
Pierce first is great with the Time Temple, and also pretty good if you train at Peak or Guardians.
SE first is ideal for partying, and better for DPS. Ironically, if you frequently train with an Archer that has max SE, boost is obviously better, so it's not ALWAYS best for parties!
3) You'd have to ask someone with more than level 1 Pierce.
Thanks for showing me that calculation, I'm actually kind of surprised by the outcome. I'll try some number crunching with my own stats =]
XBish Wrote:my little experience with marksmen, not cold numbers on a piece of paper allow me to say this. it looks ok till 122. after that it is pretty uneffective. get that lv 9 se ASAP. 9 se, 1 boost, 1 fp and 1 db if by then you passed se 20 go ahead and get it to 20. then you can go back and get some boost. id say 11-16 boost is nice. then either go back to se or if you dont have the book and dont expect to get it anytime soon go and pump pierce. but like others said SE > boost. when you get SE to 29, then go back to boost and get it to 27. not until then should you go all out with pierce. even with the 1 second charge pierce is prettyuseless till lv 21 when it can hit all 6 monsters. pierce is nice but it takes a lot to get it where you want to use it and until then you better depend on a good solid strafe to get you there. oh and i would trow 1 point in snipe for the cool factor somewhere in there.
my little view on MM skills go like this
SE > Boost > Pierce > DB to 21 = Snipe > Frostprey > blind.
for the the hardest part would be to decide if i want snipe or db first. it would depend on new maps and whatnot when you up there. if best map is mobs, obv you go db. if it is newty like go snipe.
I'm pretty sure time temple will be out soon, which is why I'm leaning toward pierce as early as possible. I'm also going snipe before dragon's breath for sure because in my opinion, any mob of over 4 monsters in a straight line in front of me is a pierce-ready mob, and snipe at 4/5 seconds would really speed up the killing of strays.
Thanks for all the input, everyone =]