2009-01-28, 11:56 PM
Dusk Wrote:This is what happens when you don't read the rest of the thread. DrRusty proposed raising the KB to 15k. That's what prompted me to say that you can't hold Bigfoot back with Puppet alone.
Actually I mainly just skimmed over both of your back and forth proving each other wrong stuff (which I even said in the first post I made, so you could have pointed that out right away).
Regardless, I even said it'd still be possible to hold him with Puppet without KBing him... If you stand close and use Phoenix, there is very minor KBing (since the close + phoenix method seems to trigger his missing hitbox animations even more). Even with that method of less control, I still rarely lose ground. If you keep your chat box open and resummon Puppet right when the "Puppet disappearing" message appears, Bigfoot stays in the same spot.
Sometimes Bigfoot runs to the other side of the Puppet (side closer to you) which can cause problems, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll be losing ground. Without KB to get him back to the farther-from-you side, it'll really be more of a luck/where you cast Puppet situation. You could get lucky and have him run back to the good side of Puppet or you could move really close to BF right before the Puppet dies and resummon it a bit farther away. All of what I just said is assuming the 15k KB. Yes, it'd be slightly harder to maintain ground because you lose some control, but it wouldn't be impossible by any means. Wall pinning would certainly be impossible, but not Puppet pinning.
You said you'd have to risk "certain death every 10 seconds," which is a joke. Just for the sake or argument, I'll agree it'd be impossible to hold a 15k KB Bigfoot with Puppet. Okay. However, it still wouldn't be dangerous if you know what you're doing... Cast Puppet, attack 'til it disappears, lose a bit of ground, repeat. You'd do that until you get backed into the corner. When that happens, get on your mount (Hog or Mane, both work) and jump over Bigfoot and repeat the process the other way. You'd go back and forth across the map until Bigfoot is dead. Jumping Bigfoot is extremely easy and never results in death unless you don't jump in time...
In fact, being unable to KB Bigfoot would actually make it much more fun. 15k KB is a great suggestion, and it doesn't make it impossible for ranged classes to kill it - just how they do it (mainly removes the cheap wall pin method). So I still don't know what you're talking about.