Dusk Wrote:Newties, which is one of the best party training spots for the levels it is intended for (105-14x) is always full of leechers =(
Peak is not nearly as friendly for ranged classes, nor are most of the other maps.
Newties are the best map for ranged classes, newties are not the ONLY map for ranged classes. Atleast you have the option of killing bigfoot or anego when you can't find a spot. Melee classes don't.
It's hard to find a top/mid spot in Bera because there are so many of them. I agree that most of them will quit, and I don't care about that. Edit: Just today I had a conversation with a leecher who will most definitely quit before he gets anywhere in 4th job.
Me, on my 98 Outlaw: (seeing AM leeching a 102 Outlaw) Can I solo the bottom of this map?
AM: (no response)
OL: u train here???
Me: Where else would I train?
OL: wow let me see
I'm like, what? but start bottoming as usual. OL observes for a few minutes, and asks about where to put his skills.
OL: see, i dunno where to train xD
OL: i just leech xD
I f3 and he goes back up to leech. The AM DCs. He comes back down.
OL: my leecher dc'd *f4*
Me: So why don't you train?
OL: i'm scurred
OL: so much dmgs. you don't die?
Me: Nope. (to self: wow why the pineapple are you playing a ranged class then)
OL: let me try to kill [a nest golem] (because he hasn't done once what I've been doing to train since early 9x)
I move to the bottom right, and the Outlaw demonstrates his crappy damage and lack of control. He eventually kills one, and provokes another to transform when the AM comes back and everything goes back to the way it was.
Yeah, I really don't care that he's higher level or if he's levelling faster than me. I don't care that he has no idea how to play his character, nor that he won't be able to tell anyone where Outlaws train or what their skill build should look like. What's annoying is that he's there, clogging up the spot. It's the way the whole system works that I think is broken.
He's not clogging the spot, the mage is. He's just sitting on the rope. If no one ever sold leech, that doesn't mean there won't be mages training at newties. If he wasn't buying leech, he'd be in the spot you were trying to train at.
Put it this way. Most people want to level faster, right? So they'll seek out the fastest way to gain exp. Right now, from 78-early 12x, the fastest way by far is to leech a magician. Leeching a Bishop at Harps around level 80 is over 50% an hour. The next best option for most classes is soloing Windraiders or partying at MP3, which typically nets 20-30%, depending on your class and your damage. What that says is, if I'm 3rd job and want to level as fast as possible, I have no other option than to leech.
Of course you have no other option. The absolute fastest way to level is only going to be one way. There can't be 10 absolutely fastest ways to level, because if there were 10 absolutely fastest ways, then there wouldn't be a fastEST way.
It makes no sense. I want to level, but the fastest way to do so is to pay a lot of money and go afk while someone else does it for me? That's just depressing. And in most of the places that are suitable for leeching, it doesn't even matter if the leecher is doing anything or not. At Harps, there's not much for them to do other than collect loot, because the mage will be killing the entire map off from one spot. Even at Newties, where the leecher could potentially bottom, the bottom platform is usually ignored because it's less hassle for both the leecher and the mage to stay in one spot.
Mages were given the best training skill in exchange for the worse bossing skills. That's how the game is made. Of course the fastest leveling is going to be partying the person with the fastest training skill. That's completely obvious. Sorry that it's depressing but that's how the game is made. If they're up there training, and you're down below killing, then it doesnt effect you at all. Unless that mage is ksing you; I see no problems. About the leecher taking bottom, if he was taking bottom he wouldn't even be considered leeching. It's not about it being less of a hassle for them, it's about the buyer wanting to be lazy.
This is how it should work (fastest to slowest)
-Party with higher levels (lower level attacks)
-Party with similar levels
-Party with lower levels
-Solo
-Pure leeching
Mages are higher level, and the fastest training is partying is partying a mage and killing at the same time. Maybe you're right, that's how it SHOULD work. That's not how IT DOES work though.
And no, attackers shouldn't sell entrance to bosses. Everyone who wants to should have an equal opportunity at bossing, regardless of class. Same with training.
Everyone does have an equal opportunity at equal leveling speed. It's called partying a mage. Everyone also has an equal opportunity to kill a boss. It's called bringing an attacker. Whether you buy leech or not, partying a mage is going to be the fastest way to level. Whether you take attacking classes with you to bosses or not, taking an attacking class is going to be the fastest way to kill it.
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