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Terrorist attack kills 50 in Orlando, Florida
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Flonne Wrote:-Bad people will get guns regardless of further gun restrictions; in fact, they will get guns even more easily in greater quantities, AND make more money off of them on a black market to fund their terrorism.
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That's not what Five Second Pose was arguing.
What he said was: if we assume that gun laws will only keep guns out of honest people's hands, but not those of determined criminals or terrorists,
then immigration laws will only keep honest Muslims out, but determined terrorists would still find their way into the country.

In my opinion, it is necessary to acknowledge that we are at war with Islamic extremist terrorists. And it is necessary to fight this war resolutely and effectively. But it would be foolish to declare war on Islam itself. All that would do is create a lot more angry young men to follow Al-Baghdadi, both in America (do you really think you can deport all Muslims?) and Europe, and in the 30-40 countries with a Muslim majority or large minority.

Flonne Wrote:-Bluntly speaking, Europe is already gone, they have no way to excise the cancer at this point and their only path now is to die off and become a new Muslim state. That's not me being exaggerative or overreacting, I don't mind if you don't agree with it because you don't need to, the proof will begin showing up regardless of any denials within the next decade at the very most and probably much sooner; the Muslim ban isn't the only thing that can fix this and isn't my first choice, but it's the least extreme by far.

And you recommend that America just seal its borders and then watch as all the NATO assets in Europe fall into Muslim hands?
If, as you believe, all Muslims are hell-bent on destroying Western culture, then that is way more suicidally stupid than allowing Iran to continue its nuclear program.

Flonne Wrote:-Logically, you would think so. The fact of the matter is though, the extremists are not misinterpreting their sacred texts as he said, they are following them to the letter. Maybe the first step should be rewriting that pomegranate to be less xenophobic and insane, a new testament of sorts that makes them into human beings that are actually tolerable to be around and not bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Jewish (and, by extension, Christian) sacred texts contain all sorts of bloodthirsty injunctions and laws.
One does not change sacred texts that were supposedly written by God Himself (or dictated to His prophets).
One reinterprets them. Religious scholars are really good at interpreting whatever is written to mean whatever they want it to mean. Just look at the history of Christianity, and the many different flavors it had and has, all claiming to follow the same scriptures.

Flonne Wrote:-Religion, quite honestly, is a thing that should have gone to the wayside centuries ago. That includes A(nti)theism. It's a waste of time and a detriment to the advancement of society, just look at all the negative pomegranate that stems from it. I get that some people are not able to cope with things and have to blame/follow a higher power, but that's on them, not society, to deal with their pineappleed up problems.

That's a whole different discussion and quite irrelevant to the current issue.
I'll just point out that people have done, and continue to do, horrible things in the name of all sorts of ideologies and allegiances that have nothing to do with supreme beings. Just look at the hooligan soccer fans in France right now. It seems to be part of human nature. We can't excise it, we need to learn to control it.
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Terrorist attack kills 50 in Orlando, Florida - by SaptaZapta - 2016-06-16, 03:09 AM

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