2016-06-14, 07:00 AM
Tay Wrote:I'm not sure if we can really expect a bunch of club goers to a) carry a gun b) handle a gun. A gun in this club to combat the terrorist in my opinion may have ended in more harm than help. Even if there was a sober, able bodied, person in the crowd that could handle a gun comfortably, from my understanding a cramped club with a large group of people is not somewhere to try and be a hero. A whole other rant about gun access and gun control could be done here, but I won't. There's no point in arguing how this happened, but that we stop it in the future. My heart goes out to all the family and friends of those were injured and lost, things like this are a subtle reminder that there is still a big dichotomy between the LGBTQ community and the rest of the world.
EDIT: And frankly, it's almost insulting to make assertions and assumptions that if someone had a gun to protect themselves they could still be alive. They could still be alive if we prevented people like this in the first place.
The "/s" in Bryan's post means "I'm being sarcastic". He meant to convey the exact same message you did.
cronnoponno Wrote:Honestly whether or not the attacker had a gun wouldn't have mattered.
What mattered is this fucker clearly had the intent to kill, and had no qualms about the consequences of doing so; he would have went to any lengths to do this(he literally called the police and bragged about it). Making explosives and bombing up everyone or using some other form of improvised weaponry would have had fairly similar results. I don't think it'd be fair to remove everyone's right to own guns in fear of shitheads like this because it will not go very far to stop them from doing it other ways anyway.
By the same logic, why bother locking your home and car? You know a sufficiently determined burglar will be able to get in.
Yes, determined terrorists will use whatever they can, be it knives or airliners. But that's no reason to make it easy for them.
Also guns are much more flexible than explosives. Explosives don't let you chase down and murder people who survived the initial blast and ran to other rooms or lay on the floor playing dead. How many people did the Boston Marathon attackers manage to kill with their homemade explosives? How many people died from bombs in the Paris attacks, vs. how many people died from gunfire?
cronnoponno Wrote:I'm not gonna bring up the whole ''guns are necessary for self-defense!'' argument but people should have the right to have firearms(although I think they should have psychological and background checks and have permits for them at all times).
This particular slimeball had the psychological and background check and permit for his weapon and job as a security guard. The FBI investigated him - and cleared him. Which is why I said, before, that the whole reflex "we need gun control" response to a shooting is unwarranted in this case. Somebody seriously messed up, to allow this to happen, but it wasn't the legislators.