2016-03-09, 05:14 AM
MuscleWizard Wrote:Oh for the love of...
You don't need to be a homicidal maniac to fit the bill of "Similar to hitler." because hitler was more than just a maniac, he was a charistmatic leader that was great at working a crowd. The type of person that was able to put a face on all your problems, the type to propose solutions. The difference is that instead of murder, Trump just wants to spend billions and billions and billions of taxpayer dollars on a wall, and throw out all the illegals currently in the country.
It's cheaper to let them stay. He's ignoring the truth in favor of a convenient political lie that gets the masses, not only on his side, but to believe that he is the solution to all their problems, as well as the solution to the threat that he made them so wonderfully aware of.
He wants to show you problems, make you afraid of the problems (eg: rhetoric about mexico importing rape and crime.)
And he wants to put himself as a solution to the problem.
It's the same psychology Hitler used during his rise to power.
Churchill, mentioned upthread, also was a charismatic leader great at working a crowd. So was JFK. So were the leaders of the French Revolution and the American one, too.
Hitler was a master at it. That doesn't make anyone who's also good at it into Hitler.
Just as the Nazis were masters at keeping the trains running on time, but that doesn't make anyone who's punctual into a Nazi.
This is the essence of Godwin's Law, the fallacy it's trying to point out.
You can say all those things you said about Trump - that he's a demagogue and his ideas are the embodiment of "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong solutions," - without bringing up Hitler. These attributes are bad enough on their own. Once you add in Hitler, however, you're beyond rational discussion, because how can anyone be on the side of anyone that is "like Hitler"? That is why Godwin's Law says the thread is over once the Nazis are brought up.
Trump isn't Hitler, Sanders isn't Stalin, Hillary isn't the Anti-Christ. They are all people, with public records of what they have said and what they have done, and much speculation on what they intend to do and how it would pan out if they were given the chance to try.
I ask everyone in this discussion (and the other one) to try to keep it to rational arguments, and stay away from hyperbole (and of course from personal attacks on the posters themselves).