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DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED
KhainiWest Wrote:The problem with most of your arguments is assumptions of people. You based your entire argument on a salary. Do you know why Mr. Sanders is regarded as an outsider? It isn't because he isn't apart of the system, but rather his opinions/issues GREATLY differ and his record shows that. Hilary is the polar opposite as she follows poll numbers, like literally her opinion is completely based on whats popular. If Sanders has one thing, it's conviction in his stances, he's genuinely looking to break up big companies such as pharmaceutical companies and trying to create affordable college. Those are things my generation needs and wants. I personally admire his convictions and appreciate them, but in today's current meta I don't think they are plausible.

Most of your opinions try to print a face on an individual because you can't argue idea's, you try to argue perceptions. I'm sure you are that obnoxious person in real life that tries to discredit arguments based on what a person is wearing, or their assumed opinionated stances. It's disingenuous, that's why people won't argue with you, you're the only one that has something to prove, apparently.

Not a face, a profession. And it IS ideas, because you're trying to paint a very experienced politician as somehow above politics, and I countered by saying that's what politicians do all the freaking time. Sanders' argument is used constantly by politicians in all tiers of competition. My Senator recently sent me an attack ad where he attacks his opponent as "politician." What is HE HIMSELF exactly, then? And how DO you regard as a "face" and not an "idea" me pointing out that your white knight makes as much per year as the Wall Street sharks he claims to hate, and has gotten through re-elections for 26 years when he's supposedly a choir boy? The "idea" here is the nature of the political profession. That is not perception, it's knowledge of the profession.

The suit, like the public face, is part of a politician's image. They also have to look nice, have a firm handshake, smile just right, etc. Being a politician in many ways is like being a Hollywood star. Image. THAT is what they're wearing, and the "not-a-career-politician" is as much a part of it as a suit. I based my argument on his salary, yeah, but also his 26 years in Congress and Senate. You kinda forgot that whole later part. I went to school in Washington, with a ton of future politicians, and I spent two years walking down the street past people like Madeline Albright and Joe Lieberman. You're assuming of me that I argue "perception" when I am actually arguing the "political profession" which I've seen in nearly countless exemplars in my life. I know what they look like, and I know what they actually are. They initially seem like very good people, but as you get to know them more and more, you realize they're very manipulative and will throw you away the moment that your usefulness to them has expired -- THAT is politicians. I see them on CNN, and I've seen what they say what they're not on CNN. Some of my classmates get mentioned in the New York Times, at this point. Politics is a very grim, very dreary profession that focuses on the pursuit of power and wealth at literally any cost while pretending they stand for squeaky-clean stuff that has nothing to do with it.

So, what AM I supposed to assume about a guy that's been in Congress and Senate for 26 years? Historically it's been difficult to elect a Senator to the White House because Senators HAVE to compromise in the Senate to get things done, and their resultant record makes them look like hypocrites, with tons of stuff to be used against them in elections. There have been sixteen senators who got elected to Presidency. It's usually much easier to be something like a Governor, because there's not quite as much seemingly-illogical compromise involved.

There is a difference between what Bernie Sanders is and what he wants you to think him to be. For all you know, he's cheating on his wife with three different women at the same time and has 120 million dollars secretly hidden in Swiss bank accounts. You don't WANT to think this of him, but in the reality of Washington it happens all the time, from Strom Thurmond post-humously having been discovered to have an illegitimate black daughter who he was paying money to all his life to keep her mouth shut, to Clinton saying "I didn't have sex with that woman," to Nixon being nuked by Watergate and Petraeus, one of the most respected politicians in Washington, having been discovered fairly recently to have been carrying on an affair. If everything about every Congressman and Senator suddenly became public, they'd all be replaced at the same time. If you want to think Sanders is different, well, many people don't think that.
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DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Kobe - 2015-12-08, 03:40 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Arrol - 2015-12-08, 03:53 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2015-12-08, 04:48 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Arrol - 2015-12-08, 06:14 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2015-12-10, 03:47 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by RayGun - 2015-12-10, 05:43 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Malthe - 2015-12-10, 06:28 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2015-12-10, 08:52 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Arrol - 2015-12-11, 04:10 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2015-12-11, 07:10 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2015-12-11, 10:39 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2015-12-12, 12:02 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-01-30, 05:25 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Words - 2016-03-02, 09:25 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Words - 2016-03-03, 06:04 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-03, 08:31 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-03-04, 02:47 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Malthe - 2016-03-04, 04:43 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Malthe - 2016-03-04, 05:11 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Malthe - 2016-03-04, 05:32 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Malthe - 2016-03-04, 05:49 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Malthe - 2016-03-04, 06:12 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-05, 12:18 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Silvarien - 2016-03-05, 02:20 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-06, 11:32 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-07, 05:58 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-09, 09:20 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-09, 11:49 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-12, 02:05 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-13, 02:15 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-03-14, 02:09 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-03-18, 06:29 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-04-01, 10:00 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-04-12, 06:23 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-05-02, 04:24 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-02, 04:40 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-05-02, 05:05 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-02, 05:09 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-04, 12:19 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-04, 02:24 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-05, 01:58 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-05, 11:00 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-07, 07:43 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-08, 07:00 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-09, 09:56 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-05-10, 12:42 AM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-10, 05:25 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-16, 09:01 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-17, 05:00 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-05-17, 05:43 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-17, 07:36 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-17, 08:30 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Justin - 2016-05-17, 08:40 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Eliseo - 2016-05-17, 08:45 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-05-20, 11:14 PM
DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED - by Flonne - 2016-07-28, 08:18 PM

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