2016-03-04, 09:29 PM
Silvarien Wrote:Alright, you're Israeli. I am an American Jew. Everywhere I go, I see Hamas pawns calling Israel an "apartheid state," seeking to destroy your economy by hypocrite "divestment" campaigns they don't seek onto murderous tyrannies like Iran, justify the wanton murder of Israeli civilians, and people like me are trying to point out that Europe and other parts of the world essentially don't care when Israelis are killed but only moan about Palestinians being killed -- including, in recent times, that horrific string of killings which Western media ignored while Jews were being killed and only picked up once a terrorist got killed, and they covered only the terrorist's death. BBC hates you guys any way they can, to the point of equating the terrorists and their targets.
The Americans who are behind you are the other Jews, like myself (for religious and kinship reasons,) and the American Republicans, who are behind you for religious reasons. There ARE pragmatic reasons -- reasons of American self-interest -- to help Israel, but you're truly deluding yourself if the American liberals, who are sucking Hamas' plantain, care about that.
You think we are helping you 'cause of Coca Cola? You think I am?
National self-interest IS the primary motivating factor for nations on the international stage, but what you're forgetting is that nations have to justify their actions internally, and "we helped them for Coca Cola" is a bit cynical for most people. George W Bush helped you because he saw you as a military base and our only ally in the region. The actual American people -- those of them who are behind you -- are generally not motivated by that.
Some Americans are arrogant and boorish as hell. Others genuinely want to do good in the world, and they believe that when they're doing stuff like the Cold War, they're doing it for other people. Equating a nation with its politicians is pretty retarded, as the Israelis can probably attest to. Didn't Ehud Olmert just get put in prison for corruption? Does that mean you are a crook too?
The public eats up whatever the politicians cook for it. Obviously they put whatever spin on it is necessary to make the people believe they're doing the Right Thing. But what actually motivates the government to do things is not the same stuff they sell to their public.
Case in point: the Gulf Wars.
I never said the Democrats are better for Israel - or for the USA - than the Republicans. I'm not getting into the actual political debate in the USA. To be perfectly honest, I don't envy you your choices. Then again, our politicians aren't exactly inspiring either. Seems to be a universal malady.
I was just pointing out the fallacies in your attack on Europe and demonization of socialism.
Try discussing the actual issues and opinions, rather than the background of whoever is expressing said opinions in this thread.