DONALD TRUMP [should be] DISQUALIFIED

Silvarien, America never acted, on behalf of Europe or anyone else, out of the goodness of its heart.
America, like any other country, has always acted out of its own self interest.
And America's self-interest is the interest of big business that rules it. Do you think American industry shed any tears over the soldiers dying in Europe? Hell no, they were too busy manufacturing for the "war effort". Same as Nazi Germany, except the money went to private hands rather than the government.

I don't see how you consider the Cold War to be America saving anyone's butt. It was about two sides trying to rule the world and threatening to destroy each other with nuclear weapons. Everyone in the middle, be it Europe or Southeast Asia, were pawns in this war, not its cause.

"Keeping the world safe for Democracy" actually means "Keeping the world safe for Coca Cola." If America kept to itself and let the rest of the world go under Soviet rule, who would buy America's products?

Let's look to more modern times. The USA sending troops to die in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq... Who begged America to do this? Who were they saving? Big egos and big business.

Mind you, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. My own country, Israel, probably owes its continued existence to being in America's (and America's business') self interest. But you should not go spouting "we saved Europe's sorry ass at great cost to ourselves out of the goodness of our hearts," because that simply was never so. Just as the French didn't help the American Revolutionaries out of the goodness of their hearts.


Communism is socialism gone bad in the hands of tyrants. We see all over the world - yes, Europe, and Canada, for example - that socialism can work without tyranny. You can disagree with the premise of high taxation for big government spending on giving everyone certain minimal quality of life, but trying to fearmonger that socialism necessarily means gulags is just a wee bit disingenuous.

Alright, you're Israeli. I am an American Jew. Everywhere I go, I see Hamas pawns calling Israel an "apartheid state," (which is hilarious because Arabs can live in Israel but Jews cannot live in Palestine,) seeking to destroy your economy by hypocrite "divestment" campaigns they don't seek onto murderous tyrannies like Iran, justify the wanton murder of Israeli civilians, and people like me are trying to point out that Europe and other parts of the world essentially don't care when Israelis are killed but only moan about Palestinians being killed -- including, in recent times, that horrific string of killings which Western media ignored while Jews were being killed and only picked up once a terrorist got killed, and they covered only the terrorist's death. BBC hates you guys any way they can, to the point of equating the terrorists and their targets.

The Americans who are behind you are the other Jews, like myself (for religious and kinship reasons,) and the American Republicans, who are behind you for religious reasons. There ARE pragmatic reasons -- reasons of American self-interest -- to help Israel, but you're truly deluding yourself if the American liberals, who are sucking Hamas' plantain, care about that.

You think we are helping you 'cause of Coca Cola? You think I am?

National self-interest IS the primary motivating factor for nations on the international stage, but what you're forgetting is that nations have to justify their actions internally, and "we helped them for Coca Cola" is a bit cynical for most people. George W Bush helped you because he saw you as a military base and our only ally in the region. The actual American people -- those of them who are behind you -- are generally not motivated by that.

Some Americans are arrogant and boorish as hell. Others genuinely want to do good in the world, and they believe that when they're doing stuff like the Cold War, they're doing it for other people. Equating a nation with its politicians is pretty retarded, as the Israelis can probably attest to. Didn't Ehud Olmert just get put in prison for corruption? Does that mean you are a crook too?

I don't think logic or emotion has any part in it, the last part of your post most likely has the most to do with it.

Most people just want to watch the world burn.



Because humans are aren't series of 0s and 1s so when you talk about things in a "scientific way" with absolutes and such it ironically creates an uncanny valley effect and drives people away.



Now those are some names I haven't heard in a very long time.

If Eos can unscramble my scramble of my original account, I'll gladly go back to it. Not sure how to, though.

Edit: sorry, double posted again and don't know how to delete.