[Rant] This game's practically dead in terms of actual content.

It's not just disagreement, as you see I reply to you, but mind you that even us "EMS players", as you are labeling me, can be right. It may be a chance but when I get treated in a disrespectful and arrogant way as it happened I have the right to point it out. The first one who thought that clearly his position was correct and I was being a silly goose is, magic of magics, him. I don't know and I don't care if all or none else of the EMS players who post here get mistreated.

Once again, he was not disrespecting you in his post at all. I have read and reread his post, theres no form of disrespect towards the person he was quoting. Disrespect is taken, not given, so that means the assumption that he is disrespecting falls on you, because his disagreeing somehow disrespects you, in which in turn you say he is being rude and other things, when in fact other people don't see it that way.

Meaning you are the one being offended, justin is not being offensive. Also the fact that in your very first post you say that the only person you
agreed with, sapta here, was the only one who had a reasonable opinion. This is what you stated in your 2nd post as to the reason why you wrote your first post. You already stated yourself in your first post that everyone else opinion is wrong or without merit. Justin posts came after that. So you 'insulted everyone'(using your definition of insult) then justin proceeds to try to show why your post isn't accurate, without offending you. Then you claim Justin offended you first? Yeah...

True, but

False, there is no GMS specific. The conditions he blamed are the same as in any maple version. Only then somebody (guess who?) thought the discussion was inherent to GMS only, but it's not. Except some, albeit big, differences (which I listed, ex. gollux), the essence of the game and its mechanics are roughly the same.

It's basically turned into "Spend a thousand bucks on gear, if you want to actually play any of the top tier content" the game over the past few years.

And with how screwed the economy is, to get a foothold, new players basically have to spend money on NX to sell it, because you're not going to make plantain by actually hunting for anything within your power range starting out, because everything either requires cash to trade, or needs such a huge damage investment to manage the kill that you're pineappleed by default.

The title of this thread is "This game's practically dead in terms of actual content." The part i bolded in the above quote does not pertain to EVERY version of maple as some people have told us, cough kms cough. So that leads to us to ask which game, maplestory, which version, well the author PLAYS GMS, and since the bolded cannot apply to every version, he must be specifying GMS.<This is where the argument he is talking about GMS comes from. Also the fact this the problem is very prevalent in GMS helps us understand that he is talking about GMS.

Sorry. I thought the point was finding the most relevant arguments and developing them.
My point in the thread, which you evidently missed "conveniently", is that

Effort is the thing that makes you stick to doing something for a time span longer than 3 minutes. If maple was easy to play, 100% of the people would play it those 5 days then quit it. This way somebody quits and somebody keeps playing for improvement. The same difficulty you used to have in leveling up (and thus being able to access end game content) is now reflected in gearing (and thus being able to access end game content). You have a shortcut with cash, yes. You can do it without cash, yes. It used to take 4 hours for any level past 170 and 16 hours for the last level as 1hkoing bishop, with exp card of course. Apply that to all the levels that go from 150 to 200 (to join HT and PB you preferably needed level 200) and you get a crap ton of time that was required to use, spending that time now at raising meso is the same concept. If you're afraid of gambling you go buy cubed (perfect or temporary) gear instead of buying cubes.

You played easy maple then, if you played as an archmage and saying it was easy. As a 164 marksman before cubes, 4 hours= 1 level, i'll laugh in your face. When i could remember getting along the lines of 8% on 4x exp in 1 hour solo, if you couldnt basically pay/bribe a bishop to train with you. Even then it did not past 20%. So 4 hours= 1 level back then. yeah no. Also

It's encouraging people to believe that non tangible goods have monetary value, and built around addictive gameplay in order to encourage people to throw their money at the grindwall.

Oh, your weapon's got good scrolled stats? That's awesome, have some potential, hell, lets throw some bonus potential in there too!

Oh! And in a few patches, we're going to release more, higher tier weapons, that people will need to spend even MORE money on to make as good as your old ones! By the way, it was determined that the set bonus for the previous tier of weapon was outperforming everything else in its class, so we nerfed it down a bit.

Oh! And everyone's hitting the absurdly overinflated damage cap too easily, so we're going to nerf everyone's damage, and leave the HP of everything where it was, because every single patch is all about extending the distance to the goal line, after all!

He is talking about Gear. Specifically GEAR. Even the Underlined part, is about GEAR, because no class can just hit max damage without good/extremly good gear.You are trivializing the point about making the game easier to train, not about gear. [MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION], brought up this point too. You are side stepping it instead of addressing the OPs statement about how f'ucked you are in terms of advancing gear without paying out of your ass. But you said it's just takes effort to advance, it takes effort to level maybe, but effort can't be used when the system for advancing your gear is completely random. Its like telling someone at a casino playing SLOTS, YOU JUST GOTTA TRY HARDER and stick with it. You'll win eventually. Thats why the argument that its a effort based game when it comes to RNG makes absolutely no sense in the form of gear.

If you mean that I should have given more attention to your own post rather than the whole thread, I apologize. But now we're at it so

No, not just mine, how about everyones post in the first 4 pages. So that way when you do post, you're not trivializing everyone argument to simple whining and that the solution being to suck it up and try harder.

If you want I can also say that ems is harder to play than gms, because we don't have all the dmt events, nerfed magnus, gollux, cube drops etc. So if I say it's doable in ems, it's doable in gms supposedly the same way. This comes from a person (me) that actually plays the game, whereas you said you have already sold your things, how do you claim to know better than me how things work in a game that I have played pauselessly?

This position comes from one of arrogance, because someone who played the game somehow was blind to the problems, then quit and then became knowledgable on problems that people do play the game currently right now are still stating are a problem. The only reasonable conclusion is that Justin could tell there was a problem while he played, and that the problem has only gotten bigger even after he left. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

The progress is reasonable and consistent

For leveling yeah, sure. just kill a few mobs and youll level as long as you dont die too much. That's Guaranteed, but can you say that about Gear is the question.

but of course you have to put effort in it, if you want to be spoonfed your 2-2 progress then you did a very good job at quitting maplestory and likely any other mmorpg.

You trivialized everyone's argument to, WAH im not getting what i want, i want 2m-2m NOW. When in fact all they are asking for it to be a bit more reasonable and consistent, and not so much RNG and cash based. Because once again, you cant EFFORT harder at RNG. Its whatever nexon wants to give you.

I never mentioned there is no gap between rich and poor but from there to saying that it's catastrophic

Guh. I am grump, sorry for ranting. It just sucks to have spent so much time on this game, and having it all be meaningless because the goal post keeps getting yanked out of the ground and planted further and further away damn near every patch.

Oh! And everyone's hitting the absurdly overinflated damage cap too easily, so we're going to nerf everyone's damage, and leave the HP of everything where it was, because every single patch is all about extending the distance to the goal line, after all!

The above to me sounds pretty bad, but hey just put more effort into your gear, and you'll eventually RNG it to perfection. Oh wait nexon nerfed everyone's damage...Well shi't

and the game is going to die, that's being ridiculous. I infact agreed to the only opinion that was backed up with reason. Don't bother replying with another full-insult argumentless outrage.

You literally said here, i agreed to the only opinion that was backed up with reason. That means from the very begging you dismissed everyone's post because it did not align with what you viewed as correct. Even more so, when its been shown that you neglected basically the first 3 pages worth of posts. Okay. You're wondering why i called the fact you cherrypicked?

implying that a party of 6 people who can solo normal magnus cannot party up and match CRA, to get gradually stronger and eventually split the squad to have a better income for everyone and progress further. That's obviously out of mind because nobody ever did that. It takes too much effort, maybe, to ask people to party up. You are one of those who are now webbed in the mentality of solo play, while it's much easier if you take steps from party play to solo play and then repeat for stronger bosses as you get further.

Implying that a party of 6 that can solo normal magnus can take on CRA< That's your problem. Also the fact that equipments are so deflated in GMS. IF THEY COULD solo some of the CRA bosses, the easier ones like queen, They would further deflate the price value of the items they are trying to sell to nothing, and then they would be no progress in getting better equipment.

My bad for making examples and trying to be constructive.

I don't know how the situation in gms is

Well maybe you shouldn't try to imply things as true when you yourself stated you didn't know the situation at hand in GMS and pass of our complaints as the whining of someone who wants to be spoon fed 2m-2m when no one has stated this or hinted at it in the first 3 pages. But wait, you didn't read those pages....

Yes its doable, but saying you can do it completely with no money, your deluding yourself. Buying Nx of someone with mesos, is still buying NX. Even if you lessen the amount of money you personally spent, Does not negate the point that money has such a huge advantage over players. It's completely ridiculous and broken in GMS.

I have been clear in agreeing with that. However

The theory that "money is a shortcut for time" I have been preaching for long and glad to see someone shares the same view.

The above is the only smidgen of that can be said to even be correlated with my quote in your first post. Nothing that agrees with my quote is in your 2nd post, and nothing in the 3rd post. You say you been clear in agreeing, when in fact all you did was mention it once in the first post, added nothing to it, just said i agree, and never mentioned it again. Sorry for being a little skeptical on the fact you said money is a shortcut when all the things you been arguing for have been LEVELS, exp. In the Terms of Gear, Money is the only way to advance.

I would like to agree with you, but there are a few things i'd like to point out. Yes your right that there are a multitude of ways to get MESOS in this game quite easily.

But PoetryIsFail and MuscleWizard do have a point. Once you reach the point where you can solo every Current Boss and future upcoming boss, there is money involved somewhere. Usually the case is that the person makes so much meso that they self sustain off that meso where they can just buy nx. Poetryisfail is more correct on his point that money is needed to defeat the top bosses and that there only available to those who are within the top .0001% because they can self sustain and buy nx of others.

With just two words, 5 letters in total, you completely defied the sense of my post and depicted my reply as offtopic. Congratz.

Because your post doesn't make any sense in the way your trying to PORTRAY them now. As well as the fact that not only me, but a few others had issue with your post means that this isn't an issue with just me an individual not liking or disagreeing with your post, but the fact that your post makes no sense in the given context of the OP and with the evidence that has been posted through out the thread, but wait you didn't read it...

But then again it was you who moved the discussion to be about GMS only and you stick to thinking that way, so yeah pomegranate my post without thinking that you are being close minded. I could underline some of your "(in) GMS" that completely betray the original purpose of the topic and make you seem logical, whereas your post would have a good start to a new thread named "GMS's practically dead in terms of actual content". Truth is the topic is about MAPLESTORY.

oh really? I'll read the topic once again. " This game's practially dead in terms of actual content" Then OP went in further to explain why the game, maplestory was going under, and using context clues, we can arrive that hes talking about GMS, because not all his comments can be applies to every version maple. So he was talking about GMS< a version of maple story that he is playing, a version of maplestory where every comment he made to can apply, hence this game, in the title of the thread is referring to GMS. Which is MAPLESTORY, but his experiences are reffering to his specific version. So while you can CHIME IN your experience in EMS, that does not give you authority to advice GMS players to suck it up, and then tell them to stop whining, because all they want is to be spoon fed, while ignoring any counter argument your opponents have put up.

So if I say it's doable in ems, it's doable in gms supposedly the same way.

While your examples you give may be true in EMS. You were still comparing apples to oranges and saying that the apple basically needs to suck it up and produce orange juice. Even after you yourself stated, YOU have no clue what the situation in GMS is, then claimed to be an authority in EMS and somehow that makes you know that it will work IN GMS. And you're wondering why some people are a little confused and calling your post bull?


TLDR: Person im quoting still makes no sense what so ever.