Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS

I'M SORRY I'M ENJOYING THE LAST DAY OF MY HOLIDAYS, AT HOME... playing maple... what am I doing with my life

THIS IS A LONG POST, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, AS USUAL, SPOILERS CONTAIN THEORY

Okay I really have nothing so far. If the dice roll silenced TheBirds I don't think that would have made a significant difference anyway considering he wasn't talking much to begin with. As for Niernen's situation, I kind of feel like voting for Chaz because of his suspiciousness yesterday and his complete absence in the face of being force-voted. This situation might very well be a mafia ploy to get the town to take attention off Chaz considering he was second to be lynched yesterday. The only thing I'm hesitant about is the possibility that Chaz really is town and the vote forcer just picked someone who's town but would likely be lynched? I don't think they knew that the forced vote would be disclosed either way. Agh this is annoying.

I believe that it's been established (on a somewhat logical basis) that my vote has been silenced, as they were advised to keep me in discussion but pay no heed to the accusations I make.

As for the Chaz fiasco, I've posted most, if not all of the possibilities. Your thought on Niernen's vote-modifying person is interesting, though. It could very well be either of them that needs the spotlight taken off, since anyone can essentially claim a forced vote and hide behind this facade. I don't doubt Niernen at this point, however, but we will need to be wary if we don't happen to lynch (whether by scumhunting methods or by luck/otherwise) the person changing the vote (which may be a mistake). This can be used to our advantage, however so I suggest we all think carefully about this.

Okay, I keep going through the thread and I feel a bit lost with all of the information. Correct me if I am wrong or feel free to add on.

-Liable and Shidoshi were town
-Neutrals keep being brought up for some reason
-Kyrastri's power seem to only affect her, with meow and presumably TheBirds not getting a response or negative action
-Niernen was forced to vote for Chaz [Niernen; was this a night action or day action? I am not sure if you said or I missed it.]
-Luv can not vote
-Meta's restricted, maybe got digitized without a tongue?
-MasPan is also restricted


There is definitely more information, but I have been in this thread for like 3 hours and keep getting distracted and getting busy (and now I have to take care of something again)... Like I said, feel free to add on with who has said they had abilities and such.

Edit:
-Holypie was blocked last night

As of Day 2, and to serve as a small summary (pretty much reiterating actually, you don't have to read this):

Vote Restricted: LuvDWayULie. Has a time-based power that will unlock after a certain period of time, likely from Day 3 or Night 3 depending on whether it's a day or night ability.
Vote Modified: Niernen, by unknown perpetrator. Must vote for Chaz.

(note: it is presumed at this point that my vote won't count to the tallies due to my 'silence'.)

Speech Restricted: MasPan (can only speak in limericks) and Meta (can only speak using words others have spoken). Unknown abilities, but presumed useful or powerful in a way due to the speech limit.

Roleblocked: Holypie, during Night 1.

Life-dependent: Chaz. Has a power that he 'must use every night', or will die.

The only reason why Neutrals are being thrown around so much is because of how role-chaoticCJ () everything has been during the first day and night. I'm led to believe that Chaz, whatever alignment he is, is not Town because of the virtue that he has to use an action in order to live. I consider that very anti-town, since desparate times call for desparate measures regardless of character. Of course, if this can be justified I have no reason to remove my doubt, but it's a very concerning comment that I just can't shake off.

As for my power, it seems to mainly affect my presence (presumably vote-based behaviour) on the game, like others have said; my presence became 'overwhelming', then was 'silenced'.

It could have been a misconception on how the role works. They may have thought that the person wouldn't know and could still vote for whoever they want but the end vote would be for Chaz regardless. I could see a simple miswording causing that kind of misunderstanding.

A lot of roles seem to have been very vaguely worded, but we were given the option to ask questions about our roles.

Did anyone else question details about their roles? You don't have to reveal any powers you may have, but if the majority haven't questioned what they received it'd be relatively safe to assume that we generally decided to jump in head first.

I disagree, as Shidoshi having started the Liable lynch train would be the most suspect, and the most likely to be lynched the next day, which would have given the mafia a free kill, or at the very least less time looking around for mafia.

This isn't necessarily related to the possibility of it happening again (since I know referring to past games might get too meta-gamey) but rather the theory behind it.

Last game, both Holypie and I investigated TheBirds the night we were killed by Mafia. Before my death, I had wrongly led a lynch against Luv, which would have gotten lynched the next day. But I was still killed by the mafia. A lot of people assumed it was stupid mafia, but it was because there was a threat in what my information would have revealed had I lived to tell it.

Shidoshi is not an investigator, as anyone who can read deceased PMs can tell, but it's possible that they knew something that could have crippled the mafia if he wasn't killed. That extra day still would have given Shidoshi time to talk, even if they were getting lynched. I don't believe we have a majority lynch here, but I guess we should get that clarified.

[MENTION=3177]xBTAx[/MENTION]; does the day cut off if we reach a majority lynch?

Also, if he did have a restriction like that, how would he vote? If he wanted to vote for someone that had not been voted on yet, would he have to wait till someone mentioned them then quote their name and someone else's vote?

She wouldn't have to quote, since she voted Chaz fine, but we don't know whether someone has to vote for the person first. If they do, then it'd be very suspicious to me, since she could essentially get away with not starting any bandwagons.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a bus driver. It would make sense. Maybe that's Chaz role? Compulsive bus driver? Or compulsive redirector. Or maybe the mafia have them, I don't know, ugh. I think that's good thinking material, don't you, Kyrastri;?

(... I've been severely mislead about bus drivers. I thought they just drove into people, killing whoever they target and anyone visiting them LOL Teaches me not to make assumptions, huh?)

Okay, back to theories. Key word is theory; a lot of this has assumptions thrown left and right so please be careful when thinking about this. Niernen/Chaz issue was easier to type out because there are definite combinations of binary yes/no options.

[SPOILER=Feelin' Lucky, Punk?]Reading up about them, they're essentially what I saw in the Captain Planet mafia game (where someone kept getting their power deflected to random people because of this power), but it seems Bus Drivers have much more control over what goes on in that they can choose what gets deflected to who.

This will muddle up the Niernen-Chaz issue further, since if a bus driver exists we cannot be sure of who the original vote modifer was intended for. Would it be possible to swap up the target and the voter? Would it be possible to change the target with this power? This game seems to have a lot of twists to roles.

I can be sure of this, though. The bus driver, if they exist, will pretty much be similar to the likes of Gavin Free, either incredibly stupid, or incredibly intelligent. (or maybe so stupid they're smart). They could be either Mafia or Town aligned, depending on a few details of the power.

If it can swap the target and the voter, then it's likely that the bus driver is Town. This is because if they believe they are innocent, they will want to deflect whatever happens to Chaz. This does implicate Niernen a little badly, though, so the bus driver would have to have been sure of both Chaz and Niernen's relative roles, and attitudes to the game (are they trying to help? Are they trying to get people killed with as little implication as possible? etc.)

If it cannot swap the target and the voter, then it could swing either way. A mafia bus driver will want to use their knowledge of who isn't mafia to their advantage, potentially saving their own (this could support the save-face theory for both Niernen and Chaz if the busser can swap targets) members or throwing townies into the mix to confuse people. This would go to their advantage as the vote modifying role person will have to speak up in order to clear this. Do note that if the bus driver is mafia, then the vote modifer isn't mafia unless we're looking at another M. Night twist ready to go down as one of the best gambits on SP.

A town bus driver will want to save the most obvious targets and deflect it onto someone who can defend themselves if under fire, or someone they believe is suspicious.

I'm pretty sure I had more to say on this but I've blanked out a little, so if there needs to be any clarification ask and ye shall receive.

And why does LuvD strike me as an arsonist?

What's the digital equivalent of arsonist? A Hacker? Can destroy code that makes up people by planting 'viruses'?

EDIT:

I am testing the limits of SP post limits, folks; if this doesn't work I'll post this separately

To help further along the "if Shidoshi was alive" cause, here's all of his posts. I hope you're not quoted for each man, I'm sorry if it does DX

I'll also post the posts Meta had, though that was a little easier.

 Shidoshi Posts

Got mine.

From the Mafia Scum Wiki on cops:

I'd keep an eye on Mas, speech impeded roles have been generally town aligned, but they are easy to fake and shouldn't be disregarded.

Not that his lying was ever a sign he was mafia. "Lynch All Liars" isn't really foolproof.
Simply giving one vote on AFKers isn't really enough stimulus to get them talking, if there's no intention to go through with that vote.

[Vote] Niernen

In all past games you've dwelled in posting things about flavor while avoiding touching on who's suspect. You were innocent on both times, but I'd like you to present more effort on this game. Without it we have no read of you and that's dangerous in case you are mafia and hurtful to your own faction if you are town.

Kyrastri; "raising the stakes" on someone early makes a lot more sense than doing so later in the Day, that way there's more time for discussion and for votes to be changed if we feel later that there's another person more suspicious. Holding off your vote until the last hours of the Day is scummier than voting earlier, since you hide your intentions of who you'd lynch.
You've been calling a lot of attention on to yourself with how much you've posted. I don't take anything from your association with LuvD since he seems to freely associate with whoever is awake when he's posting, but your accusations of me being associated with MasPan are just as weak. You are not really looking too good to me.

[Vote] Kyrastri

Niernen; though people still insist on saying there's nothing to be suspicious about on Day 1, I'd say we already have enough here to start pointing fingers.

MetaSeraphim; might just be faking again, since he seems to like so much to act out roles. I'd be interested to know if, acting or not, they are able to vote. Rhymes, quotes, walls or short lines they are all just talk, intentions are what matters.

Chaz; we won't have a strong possibility that someone is mafia for a good while, maybe never. It doesn't help us find mafia if everyone just stays "neutral".
We WILL be lynching someone today, might as well choose the one we find the most suspicious of being mafia.

A "hands off" position during the Day doesn't help the town.

I'm almost more curious to see all the awesome roles and how they play out than to actually scum hunt. However, I have to remind people of our last game, we shouldn't shift focus too much on the awesome power roles that we forget to look for the more basic signs that someone is not really sided with the Town.

As much fun as revealing your amazing roles can be, it also makes the job easier for the mafia to choose, or rule out, who's a good option to kill at night.

As of right now, Kyra moves out of my radar, though his power could very well be on the side of the mafia.

[Vote] Liable
For now he's just repeating what other people say and the general "I am new to Mafia on Southperry" justification that is unnecessary. However he's still jumping on the Chaz-wagon.
For me, either:
A) Liable is Town and believes Chaz is suspicious.
B) Liable is Mafia and wants to lynch Chaz, who is innocent.
C) Sega and Liable are Mafia and Liable wants to protect Sega from being lynched.

The scenarios are ordered in increasing unlikelihood according to Occam's Razor. However, I think A is not true because it's in conflict with his own claim that he doesn't know people here, so his "gut feeling" on Chaz has less basis.

It is also said that "third time's the charm", the 3rd vote on an innocent wagon feels like the right point for mafia to jump in. Not too early so they seem responsible for the authorship of the wagon and not too late that they are the ones holding the hammer.


EDIT: Vote count:
ChaoticCJ (0):
Chaz (2): Liable, MetaSeraphim,
faonkarino (0):
Holypie (1): faonkarino,
Kyrastri (0):
Liable (1): Shidoshi,
LuvDWayULie (1): VerrKol,
MasPan (0):
meowmixx (0):
MetaSeraphim (1): MasPan,
Niernen (0):
Olsi (0):
Polantaris (0):
Sega (2): Olsi, Polantaris,
Shidoshi (0):
TheBirds (1): Kyrastri,
VerrKol (0):
No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (8): ChaoticCJ, Chaz, Holypie, LuvDWayULie, meowmixx, Niernen, Sega, TheBirds,

"Respect or fear" is probably to keep Kyra's alignment ambiguous. From the text I would assume that Kyra will have double-vote today.
Edit: And it's likely two six-sided dice, meaning results closer to 7 are more likely.

And I guess no one wants to comment on my suspicion and vote on Liable.

It's not that I don't see something weird with Chaz's posts, he's definitely played in a way that he's "lynchable" with his passiveness. However, I'd attribute his suspicious actions to being new to Mafia here on Southperry and that's he's more likely Town than not.

Liable on the other hand took about the same passive stance, but then makes a U-turn and goes for the "lynchable" Chaz. Which just kicks up my suspicion of him.

About the mention thing, I don't really see the need for it as I assume people will be reading most of what is posted, there haven't been that many walls of text to discourage anyone.

If people aren't willing to read the thread, they should ask to be subbed out.

I have this thread on my subscriptions, so TapaTalk checks for updates to it every 30min, if there's something new it notifies me.
If I'm checking Southperry, I'll check Forum Games either way. The notifications are pointless for a topic I'm already following.

To mention people you need the "@" before and ";" after the name.

Of course scenarios A and B apply to almost every vote and generally A will be true because there are more Town players. The difference here between you voting for anyone else and voting for Chaz specifically was that his pile of votes was the fastest increasing stock in the market, ripe for evil speculators to jump in. On an increasing bandwagon there has to be more justification than just a gut feeling to throw a vote. Meta and Faon's votes were based on pretty much "let's get him to talk" so pushing the wagon further requires a better case.

I'm holding my vote where it is for now, but there's still plenty of Day to be had.

Sega;'s posts seem more like roleplay of his role than deliberately being bratty. It doesn't help his case.
"Let's lynch Sega, even if he's Town he's not helping." is not a good justification. Even inactive townies help in keeping the mafia from acquiring the majority. If he's really being inactive and weird because of other reasons I'm sure xBTAx will look to sub him out.

LuvDWayULie; keeps firing off all my "Scum!" alarms just like last game, but for now I'm assuming that's how he plays. He's not stuff for Day 1.

For me, Liable;'s justifications were mostly junk. Just congratulating people on having bred discussion and exposing intentions through voting on him doesn't make his side better when he wasn't the one that made the effort in the first place. Chaz; at least seemed more sincere and open about his stance. I feel comfortable lynching Liable today.

I don't wanna lynch Sega on Day 1 for being inactive again, it has never been a good move specially with how easy it is to justify it. It's so justifiable that even when he flips town the people who voted for him won't seem any more scummy or feel any guilt. I'd give him a chance to prove he can be useful from Day 2 onward when there's more factual things to analyze.

I have no guarantees of his alignment or powers, but that just seems like lynching the most "lynchable" person.

Edit: quick vote count I did:

ChaoticCJ (0):
Chaz (3): Holypie, MetaSeraphim, Polantaris,
faonkarino (0):
Holypie (0):
Kyrastri (0):
Liable (2): faonkarino, Shidoshi,
LuvDWayULie (0):
MasPan (0):
meowmixx (0):
MetaSeraphim (1): MasPan,
Niernen (0):
Olsi (0):
Polantaris (0):
Sega (1): Liable,
Shidoshi (0):
TheBirds (1): Kyrastri,
VerrKol (0):
No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (9): ChaoticCJ, Chaz, LuvDWayULie, meowmixx, Niernen, Olsi, Sega, TheBirds, VerrKol,

 MetaSeraphim Posts

hi

hi I wonder I wanted to play a game but not talking My speech, it is quite impeded, a forced gimmick,.

You have edited one of my lines, Can't add nothin

(to MasPan) thats not nice.

(to Niernen) that before the game started

(to Shidoshi) [Vote] Chaz

I Can't talk only quote other people

(regarding having lied before) meta-game is quite annoying

it IS!

it was a random choice.

a pain to do. its waaaaay too much work to make a post