Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS

Do I even need to say anything? I was the second one to vote on him, by the way. If Shidoshi was alive, would he be suspicious to you as well? Following that logic, should I suspect you?

I like the fondness that the phrase "If Shidoshi was alive" entails. You're just that awesome, that you've spawned your own hypothetical!

The day just started, I'm waiting for Chaz, Cakes and TheBirds contributions. ALTHOUGH TheBirds is not dumb. He knows posting in the manner he's posting would strike as scummy. He knows that voting at someone at the end of the day for no reason at all would strike as scummy. He's just doing that damned reverse psychology again. He could also be a vengeful who's certain of a target and would prefer acting by himself than actually calling out his suspicion. But on a game such as this, I don't think there would be a vengeful.

Why wouldn't there be a vengeful? It could be useful, though I don't actually get its purpose, wouldn't they be better off convincing us of the target? They'd stay alive that way.

I'm also surprised no one would actually compliment Kyra's post about Shidoshi. Nice post.

Thank you, I was hoping it would prompt more discussion but I guess not :p Too much focus on the dead might be a bad idea regardless since it does kind derail the purpose. I did think of another item on the list, though.

- The mafia wanted to throw everyone off. While implying purpose, it would allow the mafia to confuse everyone about who was mafia and who wasn't. It's a reasonable assumption that had Shidoshi lived he would be under fire for starting the Liable bandwagon (the focus might have been taken off the other voters if that's the case), so this does support a "Shidoshi was a viable threat/knew something or could know something that got him killed" sort of theory. We can't assume the mafia was stupid like we did last time, and it could very well have the same motive.

Although I wouldn't be surprised by yet another vote-altering ability since we know about LuvD's and Kyra's alterations.

For the record, we don't actually know whether my ability alters votes. Meow was presumably free to vote even after I rolled the dice on her.

Kyrastri; I didn't see the need to immediately jump out and reveal I had been forced to vote for Chaz, as the whole discussion would flow that way and there were other important things to talk about too. I was waiting for people to form some ideas about the previous day first, and didn't see the harm in waiting a few hours till more people were up. People were mentioning powers, blocks and voting, so I responded to that, but I was waiting till a bit later so we could get a bit more information. If I had voted for Chaz first thing, it would have been possible people did not believe me and I would have looked really scummy.

That makes sense; thanks for the explanation. I do think there should be more discussion on your changed vote, though. Chaz still seems to me more Town than Mafia, after all. Your comment on implication would make the most sense, but I can't help but feel that it sounds too convenient.

[COLOR="#cc8899"]I thought that Meta smelled of a rat,
But now he is trusted by the cat,
I'll give the dog a bone,
And leave Meta alone,
And hope that I live to regret that.

If mafia coerced Niernen;,
[vote]Chaz;, for he would seem free of sin.
It's a perfect disguise
To blend in with us guys
As a mafia agent within.

But perhaps Niernen is lying,
And Chaz should not be the one dying,
For now I trust neither,
And you should not either,
Unless someone can do some scrying.
[/COLOR]

More crazy list-making! Here's the possibilities of this dice roll:

EDIT: putting this pomegranate in a spoiler tag, it hurts to look at man

 I like dice

- Niernen is Town, Chaz is Town, Mafia is Unaware The mafia is trying to get Chaz killed for unknown motives (this could be a new list entirely!), and were unaware that Niernen was able to tell everyone. This is the best situation, and the one I'm inclined to believe at the moment (but not necessarily the most likely scenario). If the mafia was unaware, we'll have to watch out for the next vote-modifier because they will most certainly be reassessing strategy.

- Niernen is Town, Chaz is Town, Mafia is Aware Unlikely because wtp does a known vote modifier meant to do to help them? It's entirely possible that they're playing the added confusion (and they need to try and elicit more mislynches) but I don't want to give them cheaters any more credit than I have to. The Aware and Unaware scenarios will be pretty similar beyond these initial theory points so I'll only mention them if there's any particular distinction.

- Niernen is Town, Chaz is Town, Town/Neutral is perpetrating While giving a Town player a vote modifying role is shifty in itself, it's entirely possible so I don't want to ignore it. It could be a Town player who believes Chaz is shifty, but this implies that they can't possibly convince us otherwise (perfect scenario for a speech-impeded/vote-impeded person) or maybe they could use what is essentially a weighted vote. But in order to use this weighted vote, they will need to claim, and thus it's unlikely that they can convince us that voting Chaz is the right thing.

- Niernen is Town, Chaz is Mafia, Town/Neutral/Mafia is perpetrating Included mafia because it could all be a fancy bussing technique. Damn fancy bussing techniques. Town/Neutral could have figured out that Chaz is mafia, but will need to claim in order to verify this so they're in a tight spot, so it's more likely mafia if Chaz is mafia.

- Niernen is Mafia, Chaz is Town, Town/Neutral/Mafia is perpetrating Mafia-perp is one of the more likely scenarios. It's entirely possible that the forced vote claim is false in this scenario as well, but I'll maintain that the role is very much real. If it's a Town-perp, it'll be a bad assumption on their behalf, but they shouldn't get lynched for a mistake like that.

- Niernen is Mafia, Chaz is Mafia, Town/Neutral/Mafia is perpetrating If it's a mafia-perp, I'm going to go ahead and say that this is possibly one of the most outrageous and risky gambits in the history of SP mafia. The motive behind this would be for the Town to consider any of the other scenarios with a M. Night twist. Town-perp would imply that they're guessing at this point, similar to the possibility listed before.

- Niernen is lying Unlikely, for reasons that people have already used to debunk.

- Some crazy RNG is going on Unlikely, because that'd be tampering too much with the game, curse you Vlad

- Niernen has a power/someone else has a power that forces someone to modify their vote as a consequence Self-explanatory, but would be pretty hard to prove without claiming

TLDR We should return to you regular scheduled scumhunting, it hurt thinking about all of this

LuvDWayULie; Thats off-topic, not On-Topic. But I bet on Germany winning, so Hell Yes!

Don't you mean Heil yes? ()

MasPan; I didn't ask before because I was trying to defend myself, but what changed about Meta? You were pretty insistent early on that he was mafia, and then suddenly you switched around without explaining why. I get you would be suspicious of Chaz and me, but you never really said why you thought he was innocent now besides "he is trusted by the cat" (what cat?). Also, was that a vote for Chaz or were you just saying what I did? Don't want any misunderstandings


Also, Niernen does not rhyme with sin. the -en is like in ten, not tin.

The cat as in meow, or the cat as in the person trying to kill him (himself) and it fit as a rhyme

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meowmixx, IMO, you're getting quiet as well. I think you should talk more/post more actively. If not, you'll be increasingly suspicious.

*Yawns*, I'll be going to bed. Don't expect me to reply in the next 5-6 hours at least.

You getting suss about meow now will make me, and potentially others suspicious about you, I'm just saying

But meow is pretty quiet today, [MENTION=12295]meowmixx[/MENTION]; you wanna talk a bit more?