v.150 - Rising Heroes: Elite Update Highlights

I'm arguing that GMS luminous can perform above or at the level most classes can in high level bossing despite the hard nerf between KMS and GMS. You already proved my point with this comment; GMS videos exist of lumi at hard magnus and hell gollux. Not every class in GMS can do that and still be such a good training class, much less shouldering a 1v1 nerf as bad as lumi nerf was.

sure, not every class can boss properly, but the only reason luminous even ends up trying hard magnus is because of bind, and ender. every class that has a bind skill has a better chance at killing hard magnus. and ender's spamable duration is the relevant nerf. you're trying to say that luminous are high tier bossers. they are not. because of their nerf. you cant say they got the biggest nerf, and maintain the fact that they are still top tier bossers. plus, they arent just good at training, they are the best, i.e. GMS rankings.

I didn't consider the phantom nerf to be as devastating as lumi nerf regardless though. People outright dismissed GMS lumi as trash without looking at tangible results. People still played phantoms seriously after revamp; far more people than those who took up GMS lumi seriously. RED phantom buff launched them into OP status. Lumi didn't get that kind of buff because GMS lumi is already viable but most people pick classes based off %/s threads and so lumis are looked down on.

phantom was & is more popular than lumi ever was/is. so "more people playing phantom" is popularity, not character value/worth. even before phantom revamp, they were always at the very least, buff mules. lumi had grinders, and link skill, and bind mules, but not much bossing potential. marksman have the unlimited snipe, luminous have a limited version, its just not as good side by side. which is exactly luminous lack of 1v1 making it unpopular in boss situations. people can manage to make them work decently but those are people looking for unpopular class, or struggle, or "something different that can be fun". compared to lumi mobbing (which is the best), their 1v1 (for bossing) is one of the worst.
this type of person will play aran (with much much less dps) instead of playing drk, because they want the challenge of a difficult class and can afford to shovel funding.

phantom nerf > lumi nerf
phantom rebuff >>> lumi rebuff
these are separate actions. phantoms got massive reductions to their dps. they became throwaways because of it. the same happened to luminous, and burster.
phantoms rebuff was better, and actually launched them into #1 dps, making them the new wagon.

Your argument seems to be that luminous has bad boss time records compared to those at top level. That may be true, but it doesn't go against what i'm saying. There are a lot of classes that can't touch HM or hell gollux at all. The fact that luminous can shows the nerf doesn't make lumi bottom of the barrel in practice.

I'm arguing that GMS luminous can perform above or at the level most classes can in high level bossing despite the hard nerf ...

THESE two statements, bolded, is why im saying "you are not making sense." you are double talking your own argument.