2014-06-23, 10:09 PM
I straight up asked you if the argument was clear dude.
Not my argument. I'm not arguing that GMS and KMS lumi compares in dps/%/s. I'm arguing that GMS luminous can perform above or at the level most classes can in high level bossing despite the hard nerf between KMS and GMS. You already proved my point with this comment; GMS videos exist of lumi at hard magnus and hell gollux. Not every class in GMS can do that and still be such a good training class, much less shouldering a 1v1 nerf as bad as lumi nerf was.
Uh. Yeah they do. You're going to need to elaborate.
Bolded: Why i consider lumi nerf > phantom nerf.
I didn't consider the phantom nerf to be as devastating as lumi nerf regardless though. People outright dismissed GMS lumi as trash without looking at tangible results. People still played phantoms seriously after revamp; far more people than those who took up GMS lumi seriously. RED phantom buff launched them into OP status. Lumi didn't get that kind of buff because GMS lumi is already viable but most people pick classes based off %/s threads and so lumis are looked down on.
Your argument seems to be that luminous has bad boss time records compared to those at top level. That may be true, but it doesn't go against what i'm saying. There are a lot of classes that can't touch HM or hell gollux at all. The fact that luminous can shows the nerf doesn't make lumi bottom of the barrel in practice.
kayeyearekay Wrote:takebacker; thinks luminous are a-OK when in fact, and here's the point, their 1v1 bossing dps is laughable.
i looked through a couple dozen luminous hard magnus and hell gollux videos.
impressive videos are from KMS system. GMS videos, not so much.
Not my argument. I'm not arguing that GMS and KMS lumi compares in dps/%/s. I'm arguing that GMS luminous can perform above or at the level most classes can in high level bossing despite the hard nerf between KMS and GMS. You already proved my point with this comment; GMS videos exist of lumi at hard magnus and hell gollux. Not every class in GMS can do that and still be such a good training class, much less shouldering a 1v1 nerf as bad as lumi nerf was.
kayeyearekay Wrote:how can you say that, and,
say this?
your statements dont make sense together.
Uh. Yeah they do. You're going to need to elaborate.
kayeyearekay Wrote:separately, the phantom nerf was far worse. reduction of self buffs, reduction of stolen buffs, reduction of buff duration.
except phantoms got properly rebuffed. luminous do not. so what exactly are you talking about? maybe you're trying to oversell the facts, or, maybe you're trying to make arguments by taking the opposite of popular opinion.
Bolded: Why i consider lumi nerf > phantom nerf.
I didn't consider the phantom nerf to be as devastating as lumi nerf regardless though. People outright dismissed GMS lumi as trash without looking at tangible results. People still played phantoms seriously after revamp; far more people than those who took up GMS lumi seriously. RED phantom buff launched them into OP status. Lumi didn't get that kind of buff because GMS lumi is already viable but most people pick classes based off %/s threads and so lumis are looked down on.
Your argument seems to be that luminous has bad boss time records compared to those at top level. That may be true, but it doesn't go against what i'm saying. There are a lot of classes that can't touch HM or hell gollux at all. The fact that luminous can shows the nerf doesn't make lumi bottom of the barrel in practice.