2014-06-20, 02:13 PM
Shidoshi Wrote:So, how is a worm on the "good APPLE" side? Doesn't seem like you'd be just a regular vanilla town (or Named Townie) with that for flavor. I understand casting doubt on our two detective situation, but you are not in the best position of trust for your claim. I maintain my position of lynching you today as I think you are still more scummy than not.
Edit: I feel implicating myself in my beliefs may come back to bite me in the ass, but pineapple being passive.
I was going to claim doctor and since I am bulletproof to mafia it would have helped the town, but KhainiWest was confident that he is doctor.
About TheBirds, I actually think he is powerless and a waste a vote since Maspan basically confirmed a townie with his post.
I was actually hoping to wait one more night to see Kyrastri's actions before coming to this conclusion because yes, it is hard to believe, but there skill going to be two killer tonight.
To BTA Robins do eat apples, especially if they are clipped from the tree and in small pieces.
I may not be able to post since I will be out. Here are my notes: [Note:Some of the information is old and unproven, but it may help.]
Spoiler
I think lynching Words would be the best option, but I do find it hard to believe that Words is mafia because of how easily he was put in danger on day 1. I could have just as easily voted for Words after Shidoshi voted for me-although most people were not active at the cut off time, so I may have picked the wrong person yesterday. Maybe I am just being paranoid, or possibly just missing something since we are still pretty early in the game. It is possible the mafia are playing reckless...
I am also not sure what is up with Holypie and Polantaris
1. Corn; - ?? - ?
2. Niernen; ; - Hardcore Hal - GrannySmith
3. VerrKol; ; - Sour Sheila - GrannySmith
4. Shidoshi; ; - Ruby Red - McIntosh Apple
5. ChaoticCJ; ; - Mealy Mel - ?
6. Polantaris; ; - Ricky Rojo - McIntosh
7. LuvDWayULie; ; - Goldy Goodwife - Golden
8. Words; ; - Godmother Smith - GrannySmith
9. xBTAx; ; - Caramel Carl - GrannySmith
10. Kyrastri; ; - Gilded Gilly - Golden
11. TheBirds; ; - ?? - ?
12. y0y0y0y0shi0; ; - Crabapple Craig - McIntosh
13. z0mgc00k13; ; faonkarino - Seedy Stam - Golden
14. Sega; ; - Green Gendry - GrannySmith
15. KhainiWest; ; - Ruffalo - ???
16. Holypie; ; - Merry Mac -McIntosh
17. Olsi;v; - ?? - Apple (Cop Confirmation)
18. MetaSeraphim; ; - Barney Brewster - Cider
19. CakesXD; ; - Johnny Red - ??
I am still going off of my apple theory, but it led me to this:
Mealy Mel, Gilded Gilly, Goldy Goodwife, Merry Mac, Sour Sheila, Barney Brewster all has something in common… while Godmother Smith and Johnny Red have something in common. Perhaps it is my paranoid nature, but it seems like a better clue than what we have now.
I am still not entirely convinced KhainiWest is the doctor. There are two other player who have hinted toward being the doctor. The only thing is that KhainiWest seem to be about 75% town, but with a 33% chance of being the doctor. The only thing that keeps me from saying that you are 100% town is that if everyone has been truthful about their name it is possible you are Ruffalo Robin(or Robin Ruffalo). I think it was Niernen(I can’t remember for sure and it’s late) who said something about a Robin and the flavor indicates the same.
Oh, I also keep forgetting to ask. Holypie, and Kyrastri would either of your abilities indicate if someone did something at night? The only reason I am asking is because Kyrastri’s abilities seemed to have changed from one night to the next and I was wondering if it had to do with if a person decides to use an ability at night. The reason I am asking is because if Olsi knew he was going to be targeted, it would be smart to do nothing the night he was investigated. I may be wrong; I am just not sure how either of your abilities works. [I am mostly just curious for the sake of information and statistics.]
Edit: This is just an idea, and it does hold that Words is mafia, although even if he isn't the strategy doesn't change much.
So the way I understand it is that we have at least two killers, and Meta blocked Words and got the confirmation of mafia from that.
This does seem to be a very ability-based game, with around seven to ten apples/people with abilities left.
I do find it interesting, there was a huge target on me on day 1 and on night 1 yoshi dies. Then on day two Verrkol votes for Kyrastri and he dies the next day. The same day we find
Corn – Has been rather quiet.
Niernen – Hard to say
Shidoshi – Mayor // The snipe at the end makes Shidoshi suspicious
ChaoticCJ – Confirmed town
Polantaris -
LuvDWayULie -
xBTAx -
Kyrastri - Detective
TheBirds -
faonkarino -
KhainiWest -
Holypie - Detective
Olsi - Confirmed town
CakesXD -
This is why I think we have two cops. I think there may be things other than apples at work here. Given the way Holypie and Kyrastri have described the information they have gotten also points to this possibility.
I have been thinking the whole Kyrastri as mafia thing as well. We need one detective, so under this assumption, Holypie is town. If Kyrastri was mafia that would mean she totally guessed what I am or that I am mafia.
- If I was mafia why in the world would I even let my fellow mafia go after Yoshi…oh wait, that wasn’t the mafia because Meta stopped the mafia kill. It is also possible that Meta bus drove to Yoshi on random. This leaves us in the same place of only accusing me of being mafia because I seem scum-like.
- If I am not mafia and Kyrastri is that puts major suspicion on the group of four. This is actually a good move on the mafia’s part, because that means we waste a lynch on a cop. Two more townie die. Another lynch on me, and another two townies die. Even then, another lynch on the other cop. With another two players dead. This would result in 8 townie dead with a total of 12 townies down and those numbers are don’t look good for the town.
This would specifically leave Meta open for a kill and we all knew that one of the cops was going to die.
If everyone is telling the truth with their abilities it wouldn’t surprise me for the mafia to have a bus driver or vote controller/blocker/doubled. Given this information I would suspect
along with me had the last two votes of Day 1. I still believe that the “useless” vote was a double vote and would have killed me if I didn’t vote for Sega.
If the town choices to lynch me, so be it-but I would ask you to consider the facts:
- If I was mafia, why would I want to kill Yoshi? It would only bring suspicion to me, which is what the kill did.
- While I did vote for Sega, I still do believe it was to save myself.
Are we really going to entertain the idea that there are mafia among the confirmed and waste two days and possibly six townie (10 total) and leave the last 9 players with probably three to four mafia to lynch based on guesses? There are better targets we should be looking at.
Let us move on.
Out of all of the players left- KhainiWest, and TheBirds/Corn are the most suspicious to me.
KhainiWest’s first intention was to kill Meta and test Words “again” at the time with the other two cops. This looks really suspicious right now, knowing that Words would have appeared innocent and only after Niernen and Meta posted-KhainiWest then threw Words under the bus. Although now KhainiWest is claiming that he “led” us to the mafia when it was Meta who made the sacrifice and KhainiWest was left to ride the wave of voting for Words to seem innocent. KhainiWest also specifically told the doctor to protect Kyrastri then said the doctor didn’t do their job (purposely leaving Meta open for a kill). The whole voting for Holypie today is also strange. The doctor claim is not unexpected as if he was mafia they would want to get the doctor to claim.
TheBirds…honestly…TheBirds has not said much, so it seems really suspicious. Corn is in a similar situation, but to me less suspicious because he has at least been participating.
Shidoshi - Whether or not Shidoshi is town is out of my view because I am obviously biased.
CakesXD, Polantaris, xBTAx, Niernen, and LuvDWayULie, all seem innocent-for different reasons but in general there are others who are more suspicious.
I trust Kyrastri and Holypie right now, and in the same boat is Olsi since even if there is a mafia cop they can’t both be wrong.
Faonkarino is a bit hard to read because of the late entry…
Right now I am leaning toward KhainiWest and TheBirds. It just seems strange that KhainiWest wanted to kill Meta and test again.
This is my chart for now:
Under the assumption the player is mafia…
Corn – ChaoticCJ/Holypie(Voted for Sega to save Words)
Niernen – KhainiWest(Day 1 interaction)
Shidoshi – ChaoticCJ(Both protected Words on Day 1)
ChaoticCJ – Shidoshi(Protected Words) Kyrastri (Protected ChaoticCJ)
Polantaris - CakesXD(Avoiding)
LuvDWayULie – KhainiWest(using Holypie as a shield) CakesXD (don’t call out)
xBTAx - KhainiWest/ChaoticCJ(Tenative List)
Kyrastri - KhainiWest(had doctor protect her) ChaoticCJ(vouched)
TheBirds - (Silent[No support])
faonkarino - [New] [Possible Neutral]
KhainiWest - Kyrastri (Helped protect her to get rid of Meta)
Holypie - Olsi(One would have to be busdriver) Shidoshi/LuvDWayULie(Voted on day 1)
Olsi - Holypie(One would have to be busdriver)
CakesXD - Shidoshi/Kyrastri(Keep bringing Cakes up)
I really don't know how to defend myself. I don't deny I have had a huge target on my back for a while: The strange death of Yoshi is the only thing I can really point to in order to defend myself. If I was mafia why would I go after Yoshi(or ask my team to go after Yoshi)? I can only ask you to consider that the obvious target on me is a bit too obvious and allow Holypie to check on me.
I am not sure what is up with TheBirds...
I want to trust KhainiWest, but I have the same concerns as LuvDWayULie...
These are my notes on K
KhainiWest(1): LuvDWayULie
Holypie [1]:KhainiWest
TheBirds [3]:xBTAx,TheBirds,Corn, Niernen
ChaoticCJ[2]:Shidoshi,Holypie
Shidoshi (1): Faonkarino
I think lynching Words would be the best option, but I do find it hard to believe that Words is mafia because of how easily he was put in danger on day 1. I could have just as easily voted for Words after Shidoshi voted for me-although most people were not active at the cut off time, so I may have picked the wrong person yesterday. Maybe I am just being paranoid, or possibly just missing something since we are still pretty early in the game. It is possible the mafia are playing reckless...
I am also not sure what is up with Holypie and Polantaris
1. Corn; - ?? - ?
2. Niernen; ; - Hardcore Hal - GrannySmith
3. VerrKol; ; - Sour Sheila - GrannySmith
4. Shidoshi; ; - Ruby Red - McIntosh Apple
5. ChaoticCJ; ; - Mealy Mel - ?
6. Polantaris; ; - Ricky Rojo - McIntosh
7. LuvDWayULie; ; - Goldy Goodwife - Golden
8. Words; ; - Godmother Smith - GrannySmith
9. xBTAx; ; - Caramel Carl - GrannySmith
10. Kyrastri; ; - Gilded Gilly - Golden
11. TheBirds; ; - ?? - ?
12. y0y0y0y0shi0; ; - Crabapple Craig - McIntosh
13. z0mgc00k13; ; faonkarino - Seedy Stam - Golden
14. Sega; ; - Green Gendry - GrannySmith
15. KhainiWest; ; - Ruffalo - ???
16. Holypie; ; - Merry Mac -McIntosh
17. Olsi;v; - ?? - Apple (Cop Confirmation)
18. MetaSeraphim; ; - Barney Brewster - Cider
19. CakesXD; ; - Johnny Red - ??
I am still going off of my apple theory, but it led me to this:
Mealy Mel, Gilded Gilly, Goldy Goodwife, Merry Mac, Sour Sheila, Barney Brewster all has something in common… while Godmother Smith and Johnny Red have something in common. Perhaps it is my paranoid nature, but it seems like a better clue than what we have now.
I am still not entirely convinced KhainiWest is the doctor. There are two other player who have hinted toward being the doctor. The only thing is that KhainiWest seem to be about 75% town, but with a 33% chance of being the doctor. The only thing that keeps me from saying that you are 100% town is that if everyone has been truthful about their name it is possible you are Ruffalo Robin(or Robin Ruffalo). I think it was Niernen(I can’t remember for sure and it’s late) who said something about a Robin and the flavor indicates the same.
Oh, I also keep forgetting to ask. Holypie, and Kyrastri would either of your abilities indicate if someone did something at night? The only reason I am asking is because Kyrastri’s abilities seemed to have changed from one night to the next and I was wondering if it had to do with if a person decides to use an ability at night. The reason I am asking is because if Olsi knew he was going to be targeted, it would be smart to do nothing the night he was investigated. I may be wrong; I am just not sure how either of your abilities works. [I am mostly just curious for the sake of information and statistics.]
Edit: This is just an idea, and it does hold that Words is mafia, although even if he isn't the strategy doesn't change much.
So the way I understand it is that we have at least two killers, and Meta blocked Words and got the confirmation of mafia from that.
This does seem to be a very ability-based game, with around seven to ten apples/people with abilities left.
I do find it interesting, there was a huge target on me on day 1 and on night 1 yoshi dies. Then on day two Verrkol votes for Kyrastri and he dies the next day. The same day we find
Corn – Has been rather quiet.
Niernen – Hard to say
Shidoshi – Mayor // The snipe at the end makes Shidoshi suspicious
ChaoticCJ – Confirmed town
Polantaris -
LuvDWayULie -
xBTAx -
Kyrastri - Detective
TheBirds -
faonkarino -
KhainiWest -
Holypie - Detective
Olsi - Confirmed town
CakesXD -
MasPan Wrote:The conclusion is obvious - someone or something has killed MetaSeraphim
This is why I think we have two cops. I think there may be things other than apples at work here. Given the way Holypie and Kyrastri have described the information they have gotten also points to this possibility.
I have been thinking the whole Kyrastri as mafia thing as well. We need one detective, so under this assumption, Holypie is town. If Kyrastri was mafia that would mean she totally guessed what I am or that I am mafia.
- If I was mafia why in the world would I even let my fellow mafia go after Yoshi…oh wait, that wasn’t the mafia because Meta stopped the mafia kill. It is also possible that Meta bus drove to Yoshi on random. This leaves us in the same place of only accusing me of being mafia because I seem scum-like.
- If I am not mafia and Kyrastri is that puts major suspicion on the group of four. This is actually a good move on the mafia’s part, because that means we waste a lynch on a cop. Two more townie die. Another lynch on me, and another two townies die. Even then, another lynch on the other cop. With another two players dead. This would result in 8 townie dead with a total of 12 townies down and those numbers are don’t look good for the town.
This would specifically leave Meta open for a kill and we all knew that one of the cops was going to die.
If everyone is telling the truth with their abilities it wouldn’t surprise me for the mafia to have a bus driver or vote controller/blocker/doubled. Given this information I would suspect
along with me had the last two votes of Day 1. I still believe that the “useless” vote was a double vote and would have killed me if I didn’t vote for Sega.
If the town choices to lynch me, so be it-but I would ask you to consider the facts:
- If I was mafia, why would I want to kill Yoshi? It would only bring suspicion to me, which is what the kill did.
- While I did vote for Sega, I still do believe it was to save myself.
Are we really going to entertain the idea that there are mafia among the confirmed and waste two days and possibly six townie (10 total) and leave the last 9 players with probably three to four mafia to lynch based on guesses? There are better targets we should be looking at.
Let us move on.
Out of all of the players left- KhainiWest, and TheBirds/Corn are the most suspicious to me.
KhainiWest’s first intention was to kill Meta and test Words “again” at the time with the other two cops. This looks really suspicious right now, knowing that Words would have appeared innocent and only after Niernen and Meta posted-KhainiWest then threw Words under the bus. Although now KhainiWest is claiming that he “led” us to the mafia when it was Meta who made the sacrifice and KhainiWest was left to ride the wave of voting for Words to seem innocent. KhainiWest also specifically told the doctor to protect Kyrastri then said the doctor didn’t do their job (purposely leaving Meta open for a kill). The whole voting for Holypie today is also strange. The doctor claim is not unexpected as if he was mafia they would want to get the doctor to claim.
TheBirds…honestly…TheBirds has not said much, so it seems really suspicious. Corn is in a similar situation, but to me less suspicious because he has at least been participating.
Shidoshi - Whether or not Shidoshi is town is out of my view because I am obviously biased.
CakesXD, Polantaris, xBTAx, Niernen, and LuvDWayULie, all seem innocent-for different reasons but in general there are others who are more suspicious.
I trust Kyrastri and Holypie right now, and in the same boat is Olsi since even if there is a mafia cop they can’t both be wrong.
Faonkarino is a bit hard to read because of the late entry…
Right now I am leaning toward KhainiWest and TheBirds. It just seems strange that KhainiWest wanted to kill Meta and test again.
This is my chart for now:
Under the assumption the player is mafia…
Corn – ChaoticCJ/Holypie(Voted for Sega to save Words)
Niernen – KhainiWest(Day 1 interaction)
Shidoshi – ChaoticCJ(Both protected Words on Day 1)
ChaoticCJ – Shidoshi(Protected Words) Kyrastri (Protected ChaoticCJ)
Polantaris - CakesXD(Avoiding)
LuvDWayULie – KhainiWest(using Holypie as a shield) CakesXD (don’t call out)
xBTAx - KhainiWest/ChaoticCJ(Tenative List)
Kyrastri - KhainiWest(had doctor protect her) ChaoticCJ(vouched)
TheBirds - (Silent[No support])
faonkarino - [New] [Possible Neutral]
KhainiWest - Kyrastri (Helped protect her to get rid of Meta)
Holypie - Olsi(One would have to be busdriver) Shidoshi/LuvDWayULie(Voted on day 1)
Olsi - Holypie(One would have to be busdriver)
CakesXD - Shidoshi/Kyrastri(Keep bringing Cakes up)
I really don't know how to defend myself. I don't deny I have had a huge target on my back for a while: The strange death of Yoshi is the only thing I can really point to in order to defend myself. If I was mafia why would I go after Yoshi(or ask my team to go after Yoshi)? I can only ask you to consider that the obvious target on me is a bit too obvious and allow Holypie to check on me.
I am not sure what is up with TheBirds...
I want to trust KhainiWest, but I have the same concerns as LuvDWayULie...
These are my notes on K
KhainiWest(1): LuvDWayULie
Holypie [1]:KhainiWest
TheBirds [3]:xBTAx,TheBirds,Corn, Niernen
ChaoticCJ[2]:Shidoshi,Holypie
Shidoshi (1): Faonkarino