Providence Wrote:That's not a valid argument, as it works both ways.
It wasn't an argument as much as it was me acknowledging neither side can really prove anyting. Just state their best evidence. Although I don't believe in a god and may state things that tell me he isn't there I am more focused in the human aspect of religion than the supernatural.
Quote:Religion doesn't exist to disprove science and science doesn't exist to disprove religion. Religious beliefs can be the answer to "why", as science is the answer to "how." Many themes described in various religious texts have been shown to be inaccurate such as the sun revolving around the Earth. However, you'd be naïve to think that every book pertaining to various faiths has gone uneditted since the original editions. I believe stories were added as time went on in order to continue relevance in then-modern societies. Hell, if I remember correctly, the Tanakh (a book of Jewish belief) described the theory of multiple dimensions way before any scientist had even pondered upon such a thought. Who's to say faith and science can't coexist?Religion has oppressed science a lot. Granted I am talking mostly about Western religion being that I haven't studyed too hard on Eastern religions. Some people may be in correct in practicing their religion, but human kind hasn't. Humans (obviously not including every single human that has ever walked the planet) justify crimes against humanity with their religion. This isn't only limited to the Westeren religions either for example the Japanese's belief that the emporer was a god is what fueled their fanatical views in WWII. As well as Hinduism's caste system causes many lower level people to suffer. As for "why" and "how". Does there even have to be a reason why we live? Why we feel? Why we believe these things? Why we hate? etc. Could it not be a freak accident that our planet devoloped the way it did? Do humans really have to be so glorious? Can't we just accept we are a freak accident? Merely explain how we became to be in a way that has real evidence supporting it. Proving is not possible because for now we cannot see how we really formed, but we can put together sufficient believeable evidence of why we are the way we are.
Quote:This is a gross overgeneralization, as many religions have not ever been involved in such activities. Ever hear of the Deists' holy war? Me neither.Many haven't, but many have. I don't exactly blame the individual because they were raised with this. Their mind was usually corrupted at an early age by the religion. In that case I blame the religion, and its leaders. If however that person was an arguably stable person before then I wouldn't blame the overall religion. Have you heard of a war fought fully over science? Religion completely out of it? I haven't. If you try to bring up things such as bombs, and other weapons they were just devoloped to help win the war. The conflicts stemmed from different subjects, not science.
Granted, hate stemming from personal belief is a very real and dangerous thing. Far too many people have struck out against another in the name of their god. However, to blame only their faith isn't right, as they themselves are the ones that have interpretted and acted in accordance to what they've deciphered. Religious fanaticism is the cause.
Also note that I really have not heard of a war that stemmed from science. If you can show me an example I will actually appreciate the chance to learn something new. Please, don't call me an idiot or anything of the sort just because I can't over learning any wars started from scientific beliefs. Conflicts have arisen, but no actual wars I believe.

