Two Island Mafia - Pirafia Win

Except this late in the game we can't afford kill off any innocents because the pirates could very quickly reach a majority. Killing either Corn or Meta confirms the other is a cop unless you think they are both mafia and up to some serious shenanigans? The pirates can't be stacking on island A because no one has switched islands since day 1! If we make the basic assumption that there are 4 pirates and that they began evenly distributed across both islands, there is 1 more on A and 2 on B. It's possible there are fewer, but I consider it highly suspect that you seem to think there is one or none on B. You are still ignoring that Polantaris and I are the only two to vote for a confirmed Pirate. Why would a pirate lynch another pirate with only 2 votes?

You're ignoring a cop's investigation all by yourself. You ignore that Meta believes Corn is the pirate, but since he says you're innocent he must be the legit cop!

You're logic is horribly inconsistent and I no longer believe you are a mere survivor.

Let's add up the facts.
1. You have voted to lynch several innocents
2. You back the "cop" that says you're innocent
3. You finger one of 2 people who voted to lynch a pirate

1+2+3 = Holypie is a pirate likely backed by Corn (and maybe Niernen since he's defending him)

Okay 1, and 3, just because I have voted for innocents (TheBirds was almost totally silent, as were ImagineAll and Sega, and silence seemed to be the primary basis for voting. Remember that MasPan decided to vote for Sega, and he was innocent. y0shi also voted for ImagineAll, he was innocent), and you have voted for a pirate (mafia bussing is a very common technique, aka Zelkova is about to die and he's like well pomegranate, and tells you to vote for him (apparently mafia in this game has unrestricted communication) which he hopes will clear your name (which seems likely as you're seriously leaning on this as basically your only defense)). I'm backing the cop who says I'm innocent because I know I'm innocent and that's a data point in his favour from my point of view.

I want to point out some thoughts I've been having.

1) If we are to believe both Corn and Meta, we had a total of three Investigators. Sega was an Investigator (who was lynched), and now both Corn and Meta claim to be investigators.
Sega was a special Investigator, that could only investigate someone who had switched islands, while Corn claims to be an Investigator that can only investigate when they do not vote, and Meta just claims to be a flat out investigator.

What seems odd here? The fact that, if both Corn and Meta are not liars, we have three Investigators? Why does that seem odd to me? It sounds way too high, I guarantee one of them is a liar.

Doesn't it seem more likely for there to be 2 handicapped cops (can only investigate people who change islands, and can only investigate people when not voting) than one handicapped cop and a full cop? Additionally, [MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION] hasn't posted at all today aside from his cop claim. This (amongst other factors) leads me to believe that Corn is the true cop.

2) When Zelkova was pointed out (by me), he immediately jumped on VerrKol. While I have nothing against VerrKol, we should remember that a pirate scheme could be to intentionally lay blame on someone else to make them appear innocent. I'm not saying that this is the truth, but it is certainly a possibility, albeit a small one. Zelkova could have felt ousted, and intentionally set up a scheme to make VerrKol appear innocent so that they could win. Once again, I have nothing against VerrKol, but I'd probably do that myself if I were mafia and realized that I was screwed.

This is mafia bussing (throwing under the bus), and is very common.

3) To be completely frank, all of Niernen's posts have been completely useless. And when brought up to blame, simply said, "Oh I couldn't do anything to convince you!" Doesn't that sound just like how Zelkova responded? Also, throwing in the towel almost immediately when there was over 24 hours left to convince us against it? Weird, right?

Maybe he just doesn't feel like playing, which isn't really too surprising given his record over the past couple of days, also being your primary reason to lynch him.

4) Holypie; We have conflicting cop stories here.

Meta says that Corn is bad.

Corn says VerrKol is bad.

If Corn is good, Meta is bad and VerrKol is bad. If Meta is good, Corn is bad and VerrKol is good. They cannot be both right, as one claims the other is bad. Which do you think it is? Personally, I think Corn is bad. Why? Because we already had an Investigator with a qualifier for investigating. Having two would be weird, as there's usually one flat out Investigator that has no restrictions (aside from interventions). This would imply towards Meta over Corn, which means Corn is bad and VerrKol is good. Corn also tried to make excuses for his ability, instead of just pretending to forget to vote. Plenty of people have forgotten to vote, so why did Corn feel the need to create a precedent for his Investigating abilities unless he intended to claim to be good all along, but not really be? Why the shenanigans?

Not only that, but saying both Meta and VerrKol is bad at once would imply that nearly all of the mafia has been revealed at once. Convenient, isn't it?

Above even that, Corn replies second in the day, saying that he would post his thoughts later? Why? Except to gauge the field and intentionally start getting people against each other? I believe Corn is Mafia, and I believe you should be against him.

Either way, even if we're wrong, one of those two are Mafia, which means that we get a confirmed kill either way, it just might take an extra day.

Okay I mentioned this previously, but having two "qualified" investigators makes more sense to me from a balancing perspective than a full out cop and a fairly weak cop. This is because the investigator is basically the most powerful town role, having a full investigator (standard) on top of a partial investigator who can give the town any information at all would be very unbalanced in favour of the town. Exactly, why would Corn make excuses as to not being able to vote IN THE BEGINNING of the day, rather than at the end saying "Oh crap I forgot to vote" or just not posting at all if that's the case. It makes even less sense for a mafia to say "Welp, I'm not going to vote for the entire game to make the village believe that I'm a gimped cop huehuehuehuehue". Realize that this would have been the beginning of the game before Sega had died.

5) My Conclusions:
Niernen and Corn are both bad. I think they should both be voted for, and since they are on opposing islands, it's possible to get both.
If Corn is good, then we confirm Meta is bad and can get him next.
If Niernen is good, he wasn't contributing anything anyway so we didn't lose that much, because at this rate we're likely to vote off the wrong person anyway.

I'm also iffy on you, Holypie, considering your ignorance towards Meta's information. Just because Meta didn't say you were good doesn't mean you aren't, but your ignoring of the information makes you more suspicious.

Oh and...

6) Even if Corn is right and we kill him, he's probably tonight's target anyway. If he's not, one of the more investigative players is. Either way, we're going to incur some serious losses tonight one way or the other.

Corn won't die tonight, I can guarantee that. Me on the other hand, well, we'll see.

Polantaris basically explained it best, but lets go down the list.

ChaoticCJ - I am a survivor which was pretty obvious when I voted for Zelkova.
Niernen - As Polantaris explained, has not been all to helpful. By not joining the discussion is a threat that is left unchecked.
Olsi - Possible pirate mafia but with much less exposure and a good vote record it doesn't seem so.
Polantaris - Voted for Zelkova, which pretty much confirms survivor.
VerrKol - Same with Zelkova, even if pirate, much less of a threat than Niernen.

Corn - The cop thing was a total surprise. I thought he was innocent till he said that.
HolyPie - Voted for TheBirds (Died Night 1), ImagineAll, and Sega. All survivor, so your voting record isn't something to be proud of.
MetaSeraphim - The cop thing was again a surprise. In all honesty with Corn it is hard to tell.
xBTAx - With all of island B it is really hard to tell...


If I had to guess, right now the mafia would be Niernen, Corn, and xBTAx.
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Okay wait I had more explanation but a quick question...

You said that we would "IGNORE A COP'S INVESTIGATION" and go after Niernen. Corn's same investigation found Meta innocent...but you voted from him...which doesn't make sense...it would actually make much more sense to go after BTA. Even Corn seems like a better target than Meta since you don't want to "IGNORE A COP'S INVESTIGATION." Right? Did I miss something?

For the last time, just because you've voted for a mafia doesn't make you clear automatically! Here's an article on the thing http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing

Silent people aren't really a "threat" at this point in time when we have much bigger fish to fry. Hell you're still going after silent people (the reasons I voted the people I did). Don't forget (as you are all conveniently doing), VerrKol, you have voted with Zelkova to lynch Words, who was innocent.



Okay I'm going to ask again one last time, what are all of your full names? I am Oliver Ollie.