2014-02-23, 01:35 AM
Lozmaster Wrote:There was no reason to assume Kyoka was a fighter in the first place.
She already has extremely useful magic powers (or curses if it really matters) in that she was able to revive the other members after death, is able to forcibly turn people into demons, and modify peoples sensation to pain (and possibly other feelings).
Yes there was, but nothing's wrong if she's not. If she's not a fighter, I can accept her lacking performance.
Though the fact that Jackal and Franmalth were failures (at battle) as well (and maybe Tempesta) really lowers my opinion on the power of Tartaros. Only Silver seems threatening so far. Not sure about Sayla.
Lozmaster Wrote:In fact, that last one is why I don't care too much. Ok, yeah, she was making erza scream in pain when she was hitting her with a whip.
But so what? Kyoukas magic means that even superficial damage would cause her to react like that, and getting whipped a bit for the person who routinely takes the most punishment (For instance, way back in the shadow lord arc, Tanking an entire hit from Jupiter herself that would have destroyed the entire town, then fighting the 3rd strongest member of a guild and then the master, or the grimore heart arc where she fought Meredy, Asuma (including taking 2x his terra chrymals and being the only person to win a fight without the magic boost provided by the tenrou tree), or beating all 100 of those monsters in the GMG when the strongest alone was supposed to defeat a wizard saint) in the series is seriously selling her short.
Not disagreeing with you, but she tanked Jupiter with the Adamantine Armour, but was whipped by Kyouka naked. I daresay most of her durability comes from her armour anyway, so her reacting strongly to pain enhancement despite being a tank doesn't mean much since she's not wearing anything. Of course, she's still taken damaging hits without armour or with weaker armour, so it's undeniable that her durability is high.
About her fight against Azuma, I don't think the tree gave Fairy Tail members a magic boost? I thought it just stopped them from dying or being in a deathly state. Erza uses the tree's power to defeat Azuma near the end of their fight irrc. Everyone says that the fight was BS and "nakama-power-driven", and that Azuma should've won, but I felt that it was perfectly justified. Azuma wouldn't have been as strong as he was without the nakama-tree, and the control of the tree simply shifted near the end of the fight. Yes, it shifted because of nakama-power, but the tree was nakama-power, and Azuma was using it before Erza did.
Apparently the Nakagami Armour against Minerva was BS as well, but I also have my justification for that.
I have my doubts about that Wizard Saint claim (and I'm sure Jura does as well, judging from his reaction).