2013-10-06, 10:29 PM
Link Wrote:I f'ucking hate Shaco jungle. My friends and I play a game today and I'm up against a Shaco jungle. We start blue, Graves and Thresh come up and steal it. That's fine... I'm used to Zelkova stealing my blue all the time, so I can live without it. Then I go toward my red... Shaco stole that one and proceeded to camp my jungle all day, killing me any time I stepped foot NEAR it. I don't know how the HELL he moved so fast, but he could be top lane, ganking and I'd step foot in my own jungle for a split second and he'd be on top of me and he'd kill me nearly instantly. I tried going to his jungle to farm, when I saw him ganking top again, but then he was right on top of me the instant I got to the first camp I could reach. I was level 2 by the time everyone else was 10+. There was absolutely nothing I could do except AFK... My friends are now all pissed at me, saying I should've tried harder, but there was absolutely NOTHING I could've done. I was way too underfed, I could not clear a single camp without Shaco being right on top of me, I had no gold, I had no items, and the god damn Shaco kept trash talking me while doing it.
What the living pineapple am I supposed to do in this situation? I'm boiling with rage and my friends are on my ass because I couldn't do anything.
you start your red> go to blue, then just gank all day. Give no fks about shaco, seems like you just had a bad start, lvl 3 shaco vs lvl 3 udyr. Udyr will win. Especially if udyr has tiger/turtle/bear, he can murder the fk out of shaco but shaco would just run. How did thresh+graves steal it? Was no one guarding the back? Was no one leeshing for you?(thus guarding the front by default) You can easily smite it if you have to even. No idea how you lost it. As a jungler, the first 2 buffs are crucial and you cannot risk it especially against a shaco. From what I can see you had utility masteries, why didn't you place the 60 sec ward at red before doing blue? That early ward needs to be used early especially for guarding jungle.
From what I can see, what happened is.
1. No one guarded your blue from the back, you had no wards on the back to prevent it(thus they prob warded your blue beforehand and you didn't notice,(maybe you reached there late?)) or you failed to smite/smited blue early when you didn't need to. Your lanes should be giving you a smiteless leesh and bot should leave around 500ish hp while mid usually tosses a spell.
2. after they stole your blue, shaco immediately went for your red, this is because he is now lvl 2 while you are lvl 1. Who's going to win a 1v1 fight, the lvl 2 shaco with 2 spells/more ad/hp/etc or the lvl 1 udyr with 1 spell and base stats?
shaco isn't really good against udyr because of many things
1. udyr is a strong duelist, in a 1v1 fight udyr will murder shaco, but as I said shaco can just run away.
2. udyr clears faster than shaco, shaco is good against jungler who clears a bit slower than usual and can get away easily with his q. If you manage to secure your buffs, he cannot do much to you.
3. if udyr is even level(no item advantage on shaco) udyr can travel into shaco's jungle easily and take his jungle, shaco is only good at getting away/early level ganks in general. He can't really contest the camps unless he smites it and if he sneaks up on you. Bam free kill because now his stealth is down and he can't do crud against a bear+tiger burst as well as some turtle in there to mitigate some damage.
What happened to you is you got behind so much which is partially your fault, I can be hecarim/aatrox and you will die to me because by the time I cleared your red I am lvl 3 while you are lvl 1. I have no need to fear you. It's not a shaco problem, you lost to a more experienced jungler in general. I can be udyr going into your jungle and murdering you on udyr with that advantage.