The fatal flaw with the current business model.

I bought it with NX. I don't do the whole buying nx with meso thing.

Credibility goes poof. You got 4 classes to 120, then realized how dramatically easier these products are in comparison. By the way, getting to 120 on 4 job's really hasn't been that impressive since what guys? Big bang?

It does have a learning curve because there are things about the game that make it easier that isn't just known off the bat. Which means there is knowledge available through different means that can help make things easier, hence there is stuff to learn and also they reason why they are so many guides, so yes there is a learning curve and the game gets easier the more you know.

There are guys to point you to what is the most efficient skill builds and place to train. Maplestory has nothing so advanced/difficult. Considering you actually max out everything your first two jobs, the third job, essentially everything besides two different skills (Or one, I can't remember). So they are suggestions, and to be honest considering how easy the game is now, by far not necessary. Unless there's some secret tablet of knowledge you want to lay out to me that every mapler should know and quickly filter the "crappy players".

They never promised being able to play everything or even 10% of the things in the game, once you can access it and get to try classes or anything else for that matter it's still free to play.

...Yes, they in fact have. I'm too lazy to find it, since it's actually a piece of common knowledge, people will vouch if necessary.

It's a game designed to make money, they are not giving away their game for free, they would make no money and it's soley exists to make money, you fail to understand this simple concept.

Oh, I see, so you skimmed my post, because that's exactly what I didn't say. That's okay, I didn't have high hopes for you anyway. The point of the discussion is not demand nexon to give freebies to everyone as soon as you log in, but as someone who has experimented with private servers, there are by means better ways to make profit.

See the concept you can't fathom or just fail to acknowledge as it throws your entire argument under the bus is, Nexon made a very, very large profit in the first 4 years of its existance, based on very few items. As a business, yes, they should focus on maximizing profit, but there's this fun thing called "priorities". Lately, it's been customer service (see live chat they half ass'd implimented), but what's hurting the game the most, is the attention spam of most players. How do you keep players, like they did for years? You take away this cliffside of NX dependency, lower it, I don't know, a few thousand feet, so when they jump, they don't shatter every bone of their body. Something as simple as making small amounts of NX a reward in party quests, will keep, me as a player, playing. I can take my time, play the game and be rewarded for it, or if I feel I want to get something done, will pay for it instead. The previous option does not exist, and is unproportionally unbalanced. You have conceded and agreed with this, so you alluding to me demanding everything be free is a gross exaggeration of what, in fact, a lot of players really expected from the get go.

They don't owe us anything and while i'm at it they don't have to let us even get to 3rd job for free . Focus on that concept for a while before you post more self-entitled BS. The whole point of any game endeavour is to what? make money, now looking at games titles that are released to play you have to pay to even play it, unless you go by a friend who has already purchased it and play it on his system. I remember other MMOs as well like last chaos and perfect world to name a few that i tried where it was just as much mindless grinding and the people who payed got huge advantages.

Ironically, their other titles such as dragon nest, do not have anywhere near the NX dependency maplestory does. So the same company, came out with a game that pretty much gave me what I asked for. Huh, well again, argument under the bus.
As for the rest of that paragraph, see above. "Self entitled", lmao. Read more carefully.

Think of maplestory as a consumable that you are able to at least try a bit before you start paying for the real experience of what it has to offer, whether that total experience is worth it at all is a different story, but the fact remains we aren't entitled to play their entire game and all it's benefits without paying what they demand for that experience.

Again, Nexon has advertised the opposite. You can sit here and spit the obvious till your blue in the face, but that's why this thread exists, jesus. We are discussing how it should be, not how it is, so I don't know why you're wasting your time. Plus I kind of describe it better.

It's a simple product that has to be bought. I don't get how that's complicated, if you don't want to pay for anything then keep your mouth shut with what you can accomplish *faceplam*. And if you do want to pay for the advantages know what you are getting into because clearly things aren't changing.

I don't know how you jump on this train of "Well THIS IS HOW NEXON OPERATOR DEPERDERPERP", when this was never put into question, just that the method of operation can be changed for the better. Things have slightly changed, and the static population may force that gap, in fact with an NX trading system and a really really beta of cube forging, those changes are slowly being made.

So uh, you're wrong.

Now you are making this easy for me lol, as you are saying above you get quite alot for free, that's good enough, as i said it's a product that has to be bought, whether it's proportional or not is up for them to decide, it's not your game or your product, they are offering and we are choosing to accept, what is so complicated about that. If you want something different go play a PS.

No, I'm saying they encourage you to play to this unforseeable wall that you just pointed out. I explain how this wall should not be there, instead it should be a top and a bottom, where you are rewarded for playing the game, or that you buy the rewards themselves. In context, I quit nearly 3 years ago, I'm still talked about, even basilmarket has had 3 petitions to ask me to come back.

The point is, you either misunderstood the thread, are you're in the wrong one to begin with. This is a discussion about how the current business model is pretty sh`itty. Everyone is fully aware on how it works, hence why almost everyone I know (80% of khaini) has gone off and vanished.

Lol now i'm just finding this hilarious,

I'm so glad we are getting a narrative of your feelings. Is this just to try to reinforce your lack of actual content and repeating how powerless you are? Are you this easily dominated by your superiors? Jesus I feel like you walk around gripping your ankles telling people to take turns.

what don't you understand by it's their model and they can do what they want, you really think they don't know they have an option to try to save the game for longterm if it is indeed going downhill?

No, just like how maple Brazil died. There are a few other ones. The thing is, such changes would not be dependent on Nexon America, it be dependent on Nexon Korea. Korea has the base client, to change how miracle cubes work specifically on one region would mean changing the base client everytime there is an update, not including ones with common exploits. For a "veteran" you really don't know much about the whole Nexon thing.

Who says they don't want to just drain as much as they can out of this cash cow before it goes down the drain? What are you assuming is that nexon as a company has no idea what they are doing and they are just sitting at the desk going "grrr money now more money now" without thinking of the consequences.

Well for one there is glassdoor which gives us insight of the companies employees opinion on the employer (nexon). For another we've had GM's (girasol) and some new guy, forgot his name, who use us as resourses. We also have a volunteer(two including tyler) who also give us valuable insight on what's going on.

You really can't be that naive, all of that talk is irrelevant because it's a company that is making quite alot of cash, which by default means they have a good business sense to get this far and last this long. You really gonna try to convince people that they have no clue what the consequences are?

Nexon is a great marketer, that's pretty much it, when it comes to maplestory at least. You also need to learn the difference between net income and profit. Because if you actually knew the difference, you'd understand how stupid that statement is. I suggest you get off this "You don't know, YOU DONT KNOW", because we all kind of do. We know Maplestory client is a poorly written architecture that needs to be entirely rewritten to avoid things like the meso exploits and duplications for good, things like dc hack, will always have work arounds, that it will always be crashy and buggy.

People get degress in business just for this purpose alone lol, you really think a company like this can't simply hire people (if they haven't done so or have people working there already on this aspect) working on business models and projections?

Considering the entire reason they didn't make a profit in 2012 Feb was because they fired everyone, yeah I'm going to assume hiring is probably a big deal to them. Although they recently have been hiring outside of the state of california and have people work remotely. I was pretty surprised by that. Business degrees aren't actually what nexon is looking for currently, look on their website, they want customer service/programmer type of services. Though if you do read about them in glassdoors, its these people with "business" degrees that are so top heavy that doing anything outside of what is schedules (such as fixing a very dangerous exploit) is frowned and attacked on.

Now your just being a bit naive. And if they do as you say have no foresight, then out of respect for all the dedicated maplers out there like me and you who come up with solutions you think they aren't aware? or at least some part of their staff know exactly what players are suggesting they do to improve the company? Come on man nexon isn't sitting in some throne in the clouds unaware of what is going on or who is suggesting what, only plausible thing that can be inferred is that they don't give a s*** or prefers their way instead. Which goes back to what i was saying before, know what your getting into and decide if you want to deal it.

Marvel machine had a 2x for the first 4 hours. It caused me and other players who quit to buy into it. Why? It was a project girasol was working on, she cut out all the bull sh`it and gave everyone a decent shot for anything they need. I supported the decision, in fact gave everything I won away, anything valuable that is. She left the same day, none of us know why, but her titles and everything were taken away faster than Hime's, who quit a month prior. It was probably because the tyrant gear became to common.

Nexons POV: OH GOD, NOW OUR CURRENT "VIP" GEAR IS GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE, OUR EVENTS ARE NOW USELESS AND OUR PROFITS WILL PLUMIT

Nexon with foresight in another universe: Oh wow, now everyone will cube and enhance these new equips! Let's do some sales to encourage people to scroll them!

That's foresight. Not only that but people who have in fact interviewed for nexon have been asked if they play maplestory, if they said yes, it greatly lowered their chance of being hired. Why? They were afraid of the risks of allowing players to get GM abilities. This was also why the maple leaf brigade failed, too many people abusing their power. This leads to the most common deduction, and explains a lot, they don't understand the game themselves. They don't develop anything (Last thing was masteria), they just repeat sales from Korea, translate their patches and make sure it's compatible, that's their job. Hopefully you get some valuable insight here because your view point is utterly corrupted with the ignorance of other fan maple websites, clearly.

I'm 25 actually and refer to what i said above in response to your statements.

Can we start making sentences that aren't run on so long that it's the entity of half a paragraph? It makes it a lot easier for me to peg you at least. I'm assuming you have been to college, so let's put some of that college paper writing to work.

Here is an option, simply don't lol, and keep finding ways to try to insult me, your definitely going to get your point across that way. Refer to what i have said more than once that nothing is fair, this is what they are offering and if they wanted to change they would have .

...As I have pointed out to you, they have. Not enough for make me want to come back, but enough to show baby steps of progress. I already listed the examples, twice in fact. Also nothing iis fair, do you really want me to list to you what is fair about maplestory? I feel it's unnecessary but I feel it is.

The moment you assume they have any obligation to satisfy you out for the sake of just doing it you are going into a pointless circle argument.

Oh, so when they gave compensation to people who got hacked, that was out of their own satisfaction? You are a customer have certain obligations, otherwise you just don't use their service. And a surprisingly amount of people have chosen that, which led to some necessary changes. (Again, see live chat).

They are making money, if that's their bottom line so be it.

...Profit vs Net income champ.

You want to change them so bad buy them out and take over as CEO. Anything is pointless because they know what we are saying and they know what we would like them to do.You do understand that part yeh? I understand what you are saying but so far they haven't given much us much evidence to say they want to do what we want them to do. So why continue to wrestle and qq and groan, say what you have to in a positive way and move on smartly.

There has been plenty of evidence they have started listening, not enough to satisfy my standards, but the changes are things I can't even deny. So the only thing pointless is me reading this to be honest. But since I don't waste hours on maplestory, I guess I have time to spare.

No actually my solution is do what you can giving the circumstances, give solutions if you think you have a better one but ultimately know what you investing into, and if it's not getting any better and really as horrible as you say it is, THEN JUST STOP PLAYING.

Again, I infact did. So uh, anything else princess? You act like I play and complain, I complain and see slight changes. Obviously something is working.

The company's strategy grossly affects the general player base so it's quite relevant to talk about the players and how they feel about it and what they can do to cope given the circumstances. I don't report hackers when i see them? You are assuming I am doing nothing for the community and you know what they say about assuming lol.

Yes, we are talking, you are arguing that we should not be discussing this as it's pointless and "whiney". So the generalization I have of you is based on that opinion you keep trying to ram down peoples throat. So it's not "WHERE DID THAT COME FROM" as you're alluding to, and a logical deduction.

I even submit those stupid little reports that pop up when the game crashes. I haven't said anything other than: know what you are getting into, decide if you want to deal with it or not and don't peach if it bites you in the ass. Funny thing is I talk to quite alot of people with the same mindset as you and they complain and moan yet still play the game again and again, obviously either nexon is so smart on the psychological level and has made the game so addictive you can't help it, or you are just insane falling for the same crap. That is for the people who constantly complain, if that's not you then disregard.

Well if you actually read my post you already would have answered that question. This thread is about the discussion of how it should be, and you're telling people like this is a life choice to do thorough research of what you're getting into. That entire perspective is pointless as this is a maplestory forum, everyone here has played, so what you're suggesting is just stupid. You're trying to give life advice as a veteran of Iraq to people who came back from Vietnam for christ sake, the audacity is really staggering. The fact you play and are aware of all these liabilites and vulnerabilities just makes you a masochist, as I assume anyone who plays maplestory in general, someone who wants to get hurt, someone who wants to lose. Because you never win in maplestory.

Lol one again assuming, i'm a microbiologist working a medical device production company for about 40k and saving for my tution to study dentistry. So hmm if i play the game in my leisure time after work after playing tennis, I guess i'm just wasting my time since apparently i'm not enjoying what i'm getting out of it....altho I have said I do enjoy it. Man please ofc i know time is money which is why i don't mind forking over 2k nx for a 2x card to use during 2x events when i need to, you really are a piece of work aren't you. Stop projecting.

Too bad you don't have raptr or something like that to log how many hours you play, it give us some valuable insight of how much "leisure" time you have. Also, I don't understand how you jump to this "projecting" crap, was that the almighty come back your parents had against you? Considering I actually got to the top of the food chain, and have made it clear that everything in maplestory is essentially accesible to me, money doesn't seem to be an issue. Considering I give away NX to people who get scammed and have more than one occasion completely compensated every meso my friends got hacked from, I think such statement is laughable.

Also, it still qualifies as a dumb decision, as you play with such vulnerablities, now I just wonder if you just don't have a PC to handle the big boy games lmao.

I was giving advice to anyone out there who plans to start any endeavour, which applies quite well to maplestory, i don't mind positive criticism, but the type i'm seeing from you is just plain negative and irrelevant. I stated my opinions you responded to me, you didn't have to yet you chose to. If you don't agree then fine, but please don't try to come off as though your opinions are any more plausible and right than me by challenging everything I say.

They in fact are unfortunately. Your opinion is based on a life perspective, rather than factual, like mine is. Your opinion is really not much different than an uneducated religious zealot.

Also, for your humbleness of trying to save so many poor children from this curse, allow me to enlighten you that, when people choose to play f`ucking maplestory, they don't really come to southperry to make their decision. In fact, since the website is known for it's extractions, more thought out discussions about the mechanics, it's people who presently play who use this website the most. We also have the most veterans per capita than any other fan site. (Hover cursor over southperry.net logo in top left, although the wording is a tad different).