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PSA: GMs are banning players for attendance.
Vino Wrote:First of all, I don't need to read the fact that I'm not allowed to use any third party program or release private info or blah blah blah. Why? Because it doesn't apply in ANY WAY to this conversation, therefore it is ENTIRELY unrelated.
Therefore your argument is completely pointless and it just makes you seem like a pretentious pimento, which I can guarantee you are.

...Is English your first language? You stated at the very get go you read majority of the TOS, stating that there is nothing about CS items related, yet I had to take my precious time to copy and paste it for you, even after telling you it is in fact there. So you're either a liar who tried to give yourself credibility, or have trouble with sentence comprehension, which you're demonstrating trying to talk to me.

Vino Wrote:I am not saying they can't. I am saying that just because you have power and authority, doesn't mean that you are right.
Just because people were executed for disobeying a tyrant-king's order, doesn't mean that the king is right.
Sure, do whatever the heck you want, you are in the position to do so, just keep in mind that again, it doesn't make it right.

You're way off base. I suggest you re-read my posts because I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying nexon should ban you because they can. I'm saying that, because you broke their rules that you said you would comply with, they should discipline you. Even the rules that you deem ridiculous and "impossible to regulate", all have a legal purpose. If you disagree with any of it, you shouldn't use their service, maplestory is by far not the only game out there. You're a fool if you think this way about nexon and continue to play, because you and I both know at one point you'll get screwed over.


Vino Wrote:In this scenario, it is completely reasonable to buy something while being 100% unaware that it was duped.
Why? Because duping was a myth, at least to me. I have never seen it, never been around it, never been involved in it in any way, shape or form.
The most I could chalk up the reasoning to is that the person selling it was either extremely rich, nice or stupid, or was planning to quit.
If you see a good deal, and you're not told that you're suppose to be cautious when purchasing any item, then you should not be at fault.

If you're going to argue this then you need to know the facts. Fact: Nexon stated explicitly if a deal looks too good to be true, it probably is. In fact, Hime said it. Your example is not plausible, a noob would not have the resources to be caught in that situation, a semi player would and like every other player was put on a temp ban and the scrolls removed.

You can sit here and cry ignorance till you're blue in the face, a lot of players did, but they were disciplined for not using common sense.

Vino Wrote:Traffic lights are hard to miss, but even then, some people may get off with a warning, because it is within reasonable bounds.

Yeah, no. It's washington dc, they are strict as f`uck and most of their revenue comes from exploiting tourists. Your credibility is just going into this inescapable void trying to make up assumptions on the fly.

Vino Wrote:If I were at a guest's house, and the rules of their household were very strict, and the owners of that household didn't care enough to establish what rules to follow - does it mean they have every right to enact every law under the book?

Let me put it in terms you understand. You walk into a bank, you want to use their service, they tell you they can open a free checking account for you, give you a pamphlet of the requirements, don't mention anything specific to you besides "congratulations". Now let's assume this pamphlet is as long as the TOS. Depending on what you open it in fact could be.

You get fined later that month for not having a minimum balance, you haven't transferred any money to your checking and put all your money into savings, so they take it out of your savings, you get hit by two more penalties, one for overdraft, another because you didn't have the minimum balance in your savings. In one move they took away $300. Let's take that example and just assume nexon banned your ass for not following their rules that you claim need to be laid out to you. Would you keep the service or go somewhere more reasonable?

Working for the state there is something called estimated tax payments, if your money is not withheld by your employer you have to withhold a certain percentage throughout the year yourself. We send them a 3 page instruction page and 4 payments. Some people skim through it, send all the money at the end of the year thinking "If they get the money before the april 15th date, it doesn't matter". It does matter, they have to pay in throughout those 4 quarters, and they get an interest penalty if they don't. So these people send in 2 grand at January, when taxes are due in april, and get $300 in interest fee's, claiming it's not fair that they don't know. That the instructions weren't clear enough. Boo f`ucking hoo.

Those are two real life examples of what you're complaining about, welcome to real life where the rules can be ridiculous but legally enforced where your ignorance is not a legitimate defense.

Vino Wrote:If it were something as simple as putting a pen away in the wrong area, do you think it would be reasonable if they scolded me and kicked me out of their house and went as far as to obtain/attempt to obtain a restraining order?

If any of those answers were yes, then you have some very weird ideals, and have no grasp at what is reasonably understandable. You also have no ability to empathize, which is linked to traits of a psychopath.

If they give you a list of things you can and cannot do, with ridiculous limitations and choose to enter the house anyway, the only psychopathic masochist is you. Why is this so hard to grasp? You're pretty much insulting yourself because you agree to be scolded over stupid sh`it. You agree they can terminate your account, and cold turkey any use of their services any time.


Vino Wrote:You are, by the very fact that you are trying to argue a point that I never disagreed with. There was a never a rule to begin with, therefore they have no moral right to do ban people that have followed the ToS.
If you're going to be stingy that the ToS is never followed to the T, then they might as well ban 80% of their users and lose ALL profit.

That's the beauty of it, they can ban you in error but justified it with stupid little mundane things. And how can you say there was no rule to begin with, it's written in it for christ sake. Your argument is that because the rule is not enforced/directly pointed out to you, that it doesn't apply. That's wrong, it's nexon's decision to apply it or not. If they decided tomorrow that any name starting with T was offensive to religions everywhere, they would offer you a name change, if you didn't change your name, they would ban you. They did this 3 years ago with many users who had "inappropriate" names.

Vino Wrote:For the 29th (or 100th) and final time, my argument was that it isn't morally right, the ToS never established the rule that they "may" have banned for, and that just because you agreed to "the terms and conditions that underlines the fact that they can terminate you without justification" - doesn't mean you can't defend yourself.

And I didn't argue that, in fact, I have told you 3 times I don't want to argue the subjective opinion of morality. Just the facts. The only argument I started with you is the fact mesos cannot be exchanged for nx or vice versa. You tried to argue that it wasn't in the TOS that you didn't read, clearly, where I corrected your ass. I even told you in my first quoted post my opinion on people who do in fact tolerate the abuse. Bottom line is, you can't defend yourself, unless you have some type of suggestion I can throw away for you.

Vino Wrote:When you sign a waiver that requires you admit to them having no responsibility over your death or injury, you are accepting that they don't. But you at least HOPE they would have due diligence to ensure your safety.
You don't go participate in rock climbing, get handed a form, sign it, and expect nothing but the worse.

That "terms of service/conditions" is there to protect the company from the complete morons, but it doesn't mean you have to treat the common person like they're utterly useless.
That's just bad business and horrible ethics.

Yet they do, which is why I left, and I can't fathom why people like you still play. I mean it's absolutely hilarious that you're trying to tout this crap to me When I do it so much better than you.

Vino Wrote:The rules don't apply if there were never rules to begin with. If you start out at a new job, and it states that the manager's responsibility is to train you and inform you of what you have to know, then it is entirely their responsibility, because you have absolute NO way of knowing.

I think it's safe to say that you have particular odd and ignorant views on life in general, and perhaps you should question your own perspective.

No, I just think you lack any real life experience to see the difference. There are laws that protect employees/employers from doing that. Nexon is outside the law in this specific instance, and frankly anything relating to NX because it's a service they created. You want to play with such high stakes, then you're an idiot in my opinion. You keep talking like I feel nexon is a justified tyrant and everything they do is well deserving. I don't, and that's why I quit.

However as a player, you should know your limitations, what you're facing and that pretty much anytime that account can go poof. That is the liability you agreed too, that doesn't make nexon god, but it makes you a moron for letting them having that type of power over you. You can't bring them to court, you can't petition against them, you can't do jack sh`it, so why can't they do what they do? "Because it's wrong!", why fix what isn't broken? They make millions of dollars per year even after millions of accounts were compromised by a data leak where no one was compensated. They did compensate them 3 months later with frekin clean reverse gear and 30% scrolls to blow them up. When it comes to something like this, it doesn't matter if nexon is morally wrong or not, they are the judge the jury and the prosecutor, they don't even have to tell you why you are banned. If you continue to play knowing that, with no means of defending yourself, as no court will recognize your case, then it's your mental state that is in question, princess.


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