How long does it take to get from 200-210 on a not-that-well funded character?

Isn't apocalypse considerably stronger than reflection though?

At speed cap (DSI, IA),

Apocalypse: 340% * 7 * 1.5 / Roundup30ms[1530ms * 12/16] = 340% * 7 * 1.5 / 1170ms
= 3051.28%/s

Reflection: 420% * 4 * 1.5 / Roundup30ms[1020ms * 12/16] = 420% * 4 * 1.5 / 780ms
= 3230.77%/s

Not much of a difference considering that you're sacrificing utility (Reflection, incredible practical range) versus no. of mobs hit (10 with Hyper with Apocalypse). At the end of the day, just look at how many mobs you hit each time, what Hypers you added, and how much damage you're taking (Lumi's are great tanks actually).

edit: same conclusion for standard speed(4). See also: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...Unleashed). Don't read the wrong post.

Hadriel