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Prism
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Jamesie Wrote:I never stated that one could never advance. If you use your education in an earnest attempt to better yourself, then it's not a waste. If you use your education and do nothing with it, then it's a waste. It's also a waste if you use your education is in something that won't advance you (basket-weaving majors).

Okay let me dumb it down for you. You consider yourself a tool. You offer no value but to the elite. Gaining an education is pointless because you're merely a tool for elite status individuals, just like everyone else in history. This isn't a discussion about the value of education, but the value of taking that effort and attempting to apply it, cus you're bettering yourself as a tool.


Jamesie Wrote:Bold implies that with age comes a desire for privacy. You also explicitly stated "you're not old enough to actually appreciate privacy," implying that when I'm older I would appreciate privacy more. And thus, with age comes privacy.

I'm a fetus, I don't care about privacy. You're making an assumption based off solely the word "age", not the point, the second time you've missed it and the second time I've had to elaborate for you. Now before you try to dig yourself out of your own hole, take from it not from the exaggeration, but the point that, a fetus doesn't really have that much to discuss. You're not even 21 years old I bet, what adventures have you had?

Jamesie Wrote:There's also a significant difference between a skeleton in a closet and something you post on the internet. If you post it in any capacity on the internet, be it a blog, a vlog, forum post, status update, tweet, vine, instagram, whatever, then you are liable if it's used against you in some capacity. Emails I do believe should have a degree of privacy as those can easily constitute one's "papers" in a digital age as much as carrier mail can.

Again.....it's not just related to the internet, these are phone conversations, skype conversations, Im's, texts, the very Emails you just discussed, are all open to the government. This isn't me telling people to leave Chris crocker alone because he seems crazy.

Jamesie Wrote:I honestly don't mind it until the information is used improperly. When the government starts using it to arrest random teenagers or random citizens who clearly aren't spies or terrorists, then I'd have a beef with it. But until then, it can stay. Sometimes to be free, you have to give up some freedom first.

You act like this is relatively new, there are plenty of examples of people abused by the patriot act. The entire problem is there is no actual definition of Spy or Terrorist, they are pretty ambiguous terms so that alone cripples that entire perspective. I'm sure you had the same thoughts about the IRS, look where that got you.



Jamesie Wrote:Some of the people in this thread make it seem like they believe there's true privacy on the internet. Additionally, you have to be careful of what you say regardless of whether or not the government is going to persecute you. Political correctness is such a wonderful thing. The government may not have much to say about it, but if I start throwing out racial-slurs and being a white supremacist, you can bet that a lot of society is going to marginalize me.

Jesus christ, you do realize how silly you look right now? The Prism is not specific to internet conduct.

Jamesie Wrote:Your example of "ALALALA..." while playing Borderlands 2 is poor because that's gibberish and not even a credible in and of itself. Now, if you had done a lot of research on how to make at-home bombs, fatwa sites, and jihadist sites while making those kinds remarks on Borderlands 2 frequently, now that I would see no problem with. By itself I even wouldn't be pleased with it.

...I hope you aren't as oblivious as to imply you don't realize that's the war cry of jihadists right? Yes it's an exaggeration, but by the Patriot act they could and detain me. Go say "bomb" by itself in an airport, I guarantee you'll be detained. In fact they have for pretty sh`itty reasons;

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/03...ied-to-co/

I mean really how oblivious are you to not realize this has been going on since the early 2000's.

Jamesie Wrote:And even by your definition, society is still not equal. Suburban soccer mom who can pay to get her daughter SAT-prepped has a higher chance of succeeding compared to inner-city, single parent who cannot pay to get their daughter SAT-prepped. But of course, with a definition of equality as "equal opportunity," it is, I suppose, possible to have an equal society, in that regard. However, right now we're a ways away from having an equal society. But even equal opportunity can be vague. Does it mean every gets a job? Everyone gets a good job? Everyone gets the best job available to them? Everyone has a chance to compete for a job? With that mind-set, we're even further away from an equal society.

You pretty much answered your own question and didn't give me anything to actually discuss. My point, is saying "Equality is not plausible, therefore we should not seek to obtain it" is ridiculous as there are plenty of steps we can make to get as close to it as possible. Unless you have your own idea on how a country should work.


Jamesie Wrote:As I said, wasn't explicitly stated. In the later half of that section I made an abbreviated version of what you had said. It is also crucial to note that the Supreme Court has not taken on a case regarding internet privacy. You have to know that the right to privacy notion was decided in the 60s, thus no internet.

...Godddamit, is this you playing stupid? I can't tell anymore. Your argument holds no merit in that regard because it's already been established that you have a right to privacy, irrelevant if it's explicitly stated or not. It says so in the first two goddamn sentences. It's not even a questionable thing.

Jamesie Wrote:As I said earlier, sometimes to be free, you need to give up some of your freedom first. I'm perfectly content giving up some of my privacy so I don't have any privacy (or have no need for it) because I'm dead because of whatever reason. Terrorist attack, school shooting, bank heist, whatever.

This type of data collection isn't solely for "protection", its as much for marketing and it isn't solely internet related. You're fixated on social media when we're talking about the most personal conversations. By your logic it'll be okay to see how many abortions a girl has had because she shouldn't be ashamed of her mistakes. With the whole health epidemic right now, you think that isn't far down the line?
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