2013-04-17, 12:21 PM
SaptaZapta Wrote:Religious acceptance can't be legislated.
Freedom of Religion means that the State can't force any clergyman to perform a ceremony that is forbidden by their faith.
The State can only legislate what marriages its own employees will license and/or conduct.
Acceptance by religions can only happen with time, and with acceptance by the public. And acceptance by the public happens when people see gays all around them, living normal lives, raising normal children, without the sky falling.
I know that, sorry if I didn't clarify that in my post. All I meant was there will never be true marriage equality until religions allow same-sex marriages in their doctrines, which is, like everyone has noted, something I doubt any of us will see in our lifetime. If ever, potentially.
DavyJonesx Wrote:Like @FrozNlite said; It's been 12 years here in Holland. I still don't see 'full equality' between straight and gay people...
News flash: "full equality" doesn't come with "legalizing same sex marriage." And that's something I want to stress to everyone reading this thread: just because LGBT people can get married doesn't mean the fight's over and equality is won. It really irritates me when people liken the legalization of same-sex marriage to full equality (not saying any of you have, just in general).
SaptaZapta Wrote:Do you have full equality between blacks and whites? Between women and men?
These things take time, not years but generations.
But legal equality is a very important step in normalizing the public view of gay couples and families. From the life-and-death issue of who has the right to order the plug pulled, to trivial day-to-day things like getting a family discount at the zoo.
But again though, this isn't full "legal equality." Legal equality constitutes a bunch of different factors of life. Take a look at this image I snapped from a CNN quiz:
![[Image: 157052_10151562261817354_2072021544_n.jpg]](https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/157052_10151562261817354_2072021544_n.jpg)
I don't want to explain everything the quiz is saying (long story short, it ranks states in the U.S. based on the progressivity of their laws with regards to certain legal groupings), but the most important elements are the areas of legality at the bottom. Full legal equality isn't met by any identity until those are all covered/protected, and even then I bet this is missing some.

