2013-03-27, 03:34 PM
Mjolnir and maestrom don't synergize too well with spectre and neither does BKB and diffusal is too valuable to get skadi. Skadi is fine if it goes super late and you can abuse the fact that skadi works with lifesteal(Satanic) for melee heroes at the moment.
Manta first is no go though, doesn't give good enough teamfight early on and doesn't do much for farming either. Yasha and diffusal do more for earlygame teamfights and killing and radiance is better for farming regardless of the worse build-up(100 gold difference).
Also vlad doesn't nullify why satanic is amazing on spectre, even with vlads it's still an amazing lategame item on spectre. Strength, damage and armor combined with massive lifesteal on demand is god-tier for her. And BKB is sup-optimal for spectre, you shouldn't get it unless there's something that you crucially need to stop like an with an enemy team with sheepsticks up the wazoo.
And saying that rushing radiance doesn't help spectre is flat out wrong, the problem is that being allowed to rush radiance is rare and in comp play next to impossible. But if you WERE to be allowed to rush it, it would be absolutely amazing. Radiance is still an amazing item on spectre for farming and teamfights, especially with the buffed haunt. Same with weaver, if a weaver was allowed to get that radiance as his first item it is absolutely amazing. Weaver is different though, he doesn't use radiance to farm, but to fight(Common misconception that radiance weaver was stable on him due to it being a farming item, weaver is an amazing-midgame fighter and radiance has perfect synergy with his fighting style). Going treads drums and urn is far superior in the current pace of the game on weaver though.
And no, BB doesn't need radiance rush at all, that's a waste. He needs to gank, not farm.
Disclaimer: Not saying people can't build whatever the pineapple they want, i build sup-optimal items myself on a lot of heroes.
Sup-optimal items can be anything from personal preference(I prefer medallion to urn on weaver, but i know why urn is superior) to wanting to pineapple around(Dagon says hi) or to being forced into a corner(BF on anti-mage is optimal, but there are games where you're forced to build a vanguard, vlads and yasha and fight with your team, odds are that you'll lose because you were forced into that situation, but it's better to try and help your team if there is no other way than to keep trying to get a BF if that is also a guaranteed loss.
Manta first is no go though, doesn't give good enough teamfight early on and doesn't do much for farming either. Yasha and diffusal do more for earlygame teamfights and killing and radiance is better for farming regardless of the worse build-up(100 gold difference).
Also vlad doesn't nullify why satanic is amazing on spectre, even with vlads it's still an amazing lategame item on spectre. Strength, damage and armor combined with massive lifesteal on demand is god-tier for her. And BKB is sup-optimal for spectre, you shouldn't get it unless there's something that you crucially need to stop like an with an enemy team with sheepsticks up the wazoo.
And saying that rushing radiance doesn't help spectre is flat out wrong, the problem is that being allowed to rush radiance is rare and in comp play next to impossible. But if you WERE to be allowed to rush it, it would be absolutely amazing. Radiance is still an amazing item on spectre for farming and teamfights, especially with the buffed haunt. Same with weaver, if a weaver was allowed to get that radiance as his first item it is absolutely amazing. Weaver is different though, he doesn't use radiance to farm, but to fight(Common misconception that radiance weaver was stable on him due to it being a farming item, weaver is an amazing-midgame fighter and radiance has perfect synergy with his fighting style). Going treads drums and urn is far superior in the current pace of the game on weaver though.
And no, BB doesn't need radiance rush at all, that's a waste. He needs to gank, not farm.
Disclaimer: Not saying people can't build whatever the pineapple they want, i build sup-optimal items myself on a lot of heroes.
Sup-optimal items can be anything from personal preference(I prefer medallion to urn on weaver, but i know why urn is superior) to wanting to pineapple around(Dagon says hi) or to being forced into a corner(BF on anti-mage is optimal, but there are games where you're forced to build a vanguard, vlads and yasha and fight with your team, odds are that you'll lose because you were forced into that situation, but it's better to try and help your team if there is no other way than to keep trying to get a BF if that is also a guaranteed loss.