Unscheduled Maintenance - February 7, 2013

We're displeasured because the things are cheap in the first place because hackers undercut our prices, by a lot. They can keep hoarding the equips on many alternates and thus can afford to undercut for fast meso. We can't.

Again, the same personal problem I've been hearing and completely understanding, I'm looking for large economic ramifications.

It affects the economy because this puts mesos into the hacker's hands, and most of the time, they sell mesos for IRL money so no, it is not circulating among players in a healthy way. It is circulating to those willing to pay cash and the remaining mesos in potential reserve stock for future customers.

Thank you, this is what I was looking for, but what difference is there in placing mesos in hackers hands to be placed in the hands of people willing to spend dollars from placing mesos in the hands of bossers willing to spend dollars on NX to make the mesos? Bossers spend NX to be able to make mesos, I bet many people that aspire to be bossers or bossers themselves buy mesos. The two categories aren't so different in my eyes, both spend dollars to make mesos, circulating the mesos among those paying cash, whether directly via meso buying or indirectly via bossing and gear selling. What Nexon is doing and what the hackers are doing is not so different.

Also, I suspect over 80% of the mesos from bossing don't circulate "among players in a healthy way". I wholly support events like the Tempest Shop that encourage the mesoless and NXless player to rise into a different class, that's where I made my start. But most of the time, the characters with the mesos buy from characters with good equips and by extension, mesos. Healthy circulation back into lower classes probably only occurs that 20% of the time if not less solely on events like this.

The basic premise is that by doing this, sure, deflated prices are nice but what good are deflated prices if 1. they're so deflated, people would rather flock to hackers just because they know it's cheaper and 2. no one can sell pomegranate in the first place because of said hackers, which translates to no one has mesos to spend.

Again, this seems personal, the rate of sale indicates that there are mesos to spend, and people can spend because the equipment is cheap enough to buy. The only people that can't sell are people invested in the equips and by extension, the only people that you say have no mesos to spend are the same people, which definitely isn't true.

Edit: Not just the bossers. It affects merchers. If a merchant wants to monopolize on a certain commodity (ex: confusion fragments), they'll probably hit a point where they just can't keep up with the rate the botters can introduce them into the economy.

I have no idea what the economy is like in your server, but I do dabble in Confusion Fragments as well as Dream Fragments and I do well off of them. Confusion Fragments take a bit longer to sell, but on average I'd say a stack of 20 can sell in 2-3 weeks with a 20M profit per CF. Dream Fragments are easier, taking not more than 2 days to sell any amount (100~500) for 1M or so over buying for a cool 100M per stack.

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Good for the economy eh?

I'm only looking for an economic effect regarding these equips, obviously it's morally wrong. I'm not sure where you were going with the counterfeit boot analogy, equips are very much real legit or not, no one's reputation is taking a hit or anything else you described.

The second paragraph is nothing new in MapleStory, you should expect your items to lose value as new items are introduced. You shouldn't be subject to that loss due to hackers though. But again, not a statement on the economics as much as an indictment on hackers. Not even touching the dupers stuff, not interested on derailing or rehashing something unrelated and really axe-grindy, didn't think so in the other thread but I can see the pattern now.

And that final statement was probably the complete opposite of what I was searching for, I'm looking for whole economic impact, not personal devaluation. I know about that, I lost money in CFs when they dropped through the floor.

I think the main difference here that people argue about is if you're someone who had some decent equips you worked really hard on before hackers came and ruined it you are going talk about how it is ruining the economy when the actual case is you're just pissed that your "hard" work now counts for nothing.

However, if you hardly had a decent equip to your name before hackers came and ruined the "economy" you simply don't care and you will be happy about finally being able to buy some decent gear.

You nailed it on the head, I think. I really like the answer, it isn't longwinded or awful to read like my or Darkstars paragraphs, but it does its job.