2013-01-16, 11:46 AM
Corn Wrote:God he put up as much as a fight as Polantaris.
That was unnecessary. I actually had enough flavor text from the nights to fake a roleclaim, but I chose not to because I had a family thing going on (Nothing good), and I had no wish to be ignoring my family to be watching the thread all weekend. Sorry, life comes first. Too bad if it hurts the game. I didn't expect it before I signed up.
Curtiss Wrote:I don't see what's wrong about roleclaiming. It helps to give the game direction rather than to simply lynch or judge based on actions, plus it may become a necessity if it looks like you're about to get lynched and you're someone important.
Honestly, my major issue with roleclaiming, at least here, is that people tend to just believe or not believe whoever made the claim, and never change their mind. Take a look at Corn. He claimed Doctor on Day 1, and as far as I can tell has given absolutely nothing to back up that claim(Going, "Yeah all me that no one died!" doesn't prove anything at all), yet everyone treats him like the holy grail of the game. For all you know my pre-lynch speech is 100% correct, and you guys are digging your own graves by treating him this way. Yet, others later on roleclaim, and you expect waves upon waves of flavor text, earlier hints in their messages, and all kinds of crap to believe them, yet Corn never had to provide any of that and is considered squeaky clean even now. What exactly gives him this protection? The fact that he's not dead? That's more reason to suspect him. He's claiming the DOCTOR! He basically said on Day 1, "Target me, I'm practically the most important character for the town and I can't protect myself!"
There's nothing wrong with roleclaiming, there's something wrong with stone pillar mindsets once you've set that mindset. Roleclaims are the cause of this.
Plus, who roleclaims on Day 1 to get themselves out of a lynch? Are you kidding me? Day 1 should be the easiest day to talk yourself out of anything. No one has ANYTHING on you. Everyone is going on a single or a couple of small messages in posts and nothing else. It should be beyond easy to talk yourself out of an early lynch, and if you provide enough of a reason to change minds and people don't, your still doing the town a favor because they have an idea of who is likely mafia solely due to the fact that they wouldn't budge when they have no reason to want you dead so badly unless they were. Yes, the town would lose a valuable asset even if you were the Doctor, however especially in a Non-Vanilla game, you have other roles that are just as valuable. I'm sorry but a Day 1 roleclaim is ridiculous.
I haven't even played any other mafia games besides this one and I've come to these conclusions, which seem pretty simple to determine to me.
Also, when it came to Day 2 for this game, I practically gave myself away. There was almost no reason to attack Afeared. The fact that I pulled that off is rather surprising. I talked too much, and I very much expected to wake up before the end of Day 2 with a lynch at me for being way too convincing towards Afeared going off of basically nothing. Yes, it got me killed on Day 3, but see above, plus I still got the Listener killed over nothing.