2012-12-10, 12:50 PM
I agree with shinku. I would appreciate any %/s adjustments you draw up between versions, but i don't necessarily care too much unless it's about a class i'm interested in/am invested in. I do want to see how insane kaiser would be in %/s with wingbeat in transfig though.
I feel like you're trying to call someone out but can't because of the rules or because your opinion is based off a single isolated discussion.
Anyway...your only point in this block of text is that people shouldn't be stupid and think they can attack optimally. Ok...?
Reasons %/s threads are useful in no particular order of significance:
1) It can extend how people view certain class matchups. Hyper skills did an amazing job establishing some semblance of balance between adventurers/heroes/resistance, and without the %/s threads we wouldn't be able to verbalize that balance in anywhere near the amount of detail we could if %/s wasn't done. It's easy to compare a class with a pro/con list which is how it has been done essentially since beta, but now expanding the aspect of max/s, over/s, and hits/s, which isn't exactly clear cut in all cases, it becomes more complicated to do a pro/con type thing when you're going off of surface details and ignore things that are generally unreported on patch notes, like delays, which knowledge of does a great job at structuring a balance argument.
2) Provides optimization specifications. Whether it be what attacks are superior, what attacks are superior at what mob count, etc. Also you can use it to compare against your theoretical vs actual which will make you more efficient and cut down mistakes made.
3) Reading and understanding %/s tables for as long as joe has been providing them makes you less stupid about the game than if you didn't. I think we can all agree this is reason enough to justify the threads.
It isn't a surprise that theoretical %/s doesn't have a direct effect on actual DPS, but that being true doesn't make the threads "the biggest waste of time you can find here" even if it's true that theoretical %s can have an indirect effect on actual dps.
Thorr Wrote:Since you asked for opinions... I think %/sec tables are the biggest waste of time you can find here. Well, not so much the tables themselves, just the tools who continually argue about whether or not they are correct. Nobody will ever be able to play so perfectly that they can actually HIT those numbers, so who cares if they might be off a tick?
I feel like you're trying to call someone out but can't because of the rules or because your opinion is based off a single isolated discussion.
Anyway...your only point in this block of text is that people shouldn't be stupid and think they can attack optimally. Ok...?
Thorr Wrote:My point is that the information itself is largely insignificant in actual gameplay, yet the folks who typically frequent the DPS threads in the various Job sections really go overboard in arguing about minor discrepancies in their own comparative calculations. It becomes an e-peen competition over information that very few people will ever use. The discussion almost invariably becomes a matter of "This class is OP" or "There's no way your INSERTJOBHERE is better than this INSERTOTHERJOBHERE because you didn't make the DPS chart right."
Having said that, a rough idea of DPS is still nice to have and I would like to see it happen. The one thing the average person can glean from it is a method for maximizing one's own output. (For instance, a person can decide if they want their primary 4th Job Lumi attack skill to be Apocalypse or Reflection based on the output numbers.)
Reasons %/s threads are useful in no particular order of significance:
1) It can extend how people view certain class matchups. Hyper skills did an amazing job establishing some semblance of balance between adventurers/heroes/resistance, and without the %/s threads we wouldn't be able to verbalize that balance in anywhere near the amount of detail we could if %/s wasn't done. It's easy to compare a class with a pro/con list which is how it has been done essentially since beta, but now expanding the aspect of max/s, over/s, and hits/s, which isn't exactly clear cut in all cases, it becomes more complicated to do a pro/con type thing when you're going off of surface details and ignore things that are generally unreported on patch notes, like delays, which knowledge of does a great job at structuring a balance argument.
2) Provides optimization specifications. Whether it be what attacks are superior, what attacks are superior at what mob count, etc. Also you can use it to compare against your theoretical vs actual which will make you more efficient and cut down mistakes made.
3) Reading and understanding %/s tables for as long as joe has been providing them makes you less stupid about the game than if you didn't. I think we can all agree this is reason enough to justify the threads.
It isn't a surprise that theoretical %/s doesn't have a direct effect on actual DPS, but that being true doesn't make the threads "the biggest waste of time you can find here" even if it's true that theoretical %s can have an indirect effect on actual dps.