2012-11-17, 06:18 PM
Secun Wrote:Yes, but the thing is, this sentence right here is equally contextual to the Jews when they were forced from Israel, isn't it? Unless I'm remembering my history wrong, in which case just disregard me altogether.
Yes, which part of the reason as to why this mess is a cluter&*(%#&#@*(% in the first place.
SaptaZapta Wrote:1) Conflicting sources or not, it is an undisputed fact that there are about 1.5 million Arab citizens in Israel now. Israel does not welcome immigration by non-Jews, therefore these are not recent arrivals. Unless you are prepared to argue these people are Jews in disguise, the inescapable conclusion is that these are the Arabs who didn't leave in 1948, and their descendants. It's quite obvious they weren't kicked out.
2) "The ones that did run away, though, expected to come back. They didn't. So for all intents and purposes, they got kicked out. "
What? Either they thought the Jews would kill them if they stayed, in which case they knew they wouldn't be back unless the Jews were driven off; or they thought the Jews would be nice and let them return, in which case why did they feel the need to run away in the first place?
It might be that in their own minds they had no choice but to run, but that doesn't make it so "for all intents and purposes".
1) I never said I disagreed with that fact. I agree that there is a small minority (~10-20%) stayed. I don't know why you're contesting that with me. I'm arguing about the majority, which is the part that's causing the huge ruckus right now.
2) I would totally run away too if there were tanks and military and soldiers. Israel came with the military intention to take over Israel. If you don't see as that as "kicking out," then I don't know what is.
And they expected to return because of either
a) Arabs would take back Israel.
b) United Nations rights.
c) USA USA USA USA USA USA
All failed miserably. So you can see why Hamas exists, since quite frankly some of them see no other choice (note: I am not endorsing Hamas in any shape or form. They could suck my cock too).
There has been countless U.N. resolutions condemning Israel, more than North Korea, Syria, other countries in the Middle East, and etc. combined. Israel is like nope.avi.
Oh, and I would to dispute the fact that Arab citizens in Israel have equal rights. Because you know goddamm well that's not the truth.
I'm not damm against Israel. I realize the crap they had to go through. I sympathize with "Guys, crap, we need to band together in a country after pineappleing Hitler." That wasn't the way to do it, though.
I agree damm well with the average normal Palestinian and the average normal Israelian. They. Just. Want. The. Goddamm. Violence. To. Stop. There are just stupid extremists on both sides which made the mess right now. Pineapple them. You guys dont't want damm peace. 99% of all murders of outspoken peace-loving advocates were done by people from the same "side."