2012-11-17, 07:07 AM
DeanNim Wrote:Religious threat as in how the muslims in general are under constant impression that the christians and jews are going to take over their land. And the muslims won their own war when they took over the middle east, and im guessing that is why so many are against jews having their own country there. And it didnt help that majority of the jews weren't even born there.
The Muslims won some and lost some, over the past 1400 years, what with the crusades and all. Do you say they have a right to Spain as well, since they conquered that once?
In the last round before the establishment of Israel, the Turks lost WWI and the Christians (French and British) took over this area.
Anyway, you know what, suppose for the sake of discussion that the UN made a mistake, 67 years ago.
Does this mean it would be justified, now, to uproot six million people, most of whom were born here*, in order to return 1.7 million people to a home most of them have never seen, because their grandparents left it of their own free will?
Yes, free will.
Israel, inside the 1967 borders, currently has 20% Arab population. That's about 1.5 million people. These are Arabs who stayed in 1948, and their offspring. They weren't massacred, they weren't deported. Those who stayed were given full citizenship and continue to live happily in their ancestral homes - or wherever else they choose - and practice their religion freely. The ones that ran because they were sure the Jews would do unto them as they would have done had they been victors... well, they made a mistake and they and their children and children's children are paying for it now. It makes absolutely no sense nor justice to make the Jews pay now for the Arabs' mistakes in 1948.
Instead of dwelling on past mistakes and injustices, a solution needs to be found for the existing situation. Israel exists and its citizens deserve to live peacefully on where they are (by and large. Minor population exchanges are possible). Gaza's denizens are living in mostly intolerable conditions, due to overcrowding and no real means of self-support. They need to be given decent lives.
How to solve all that, with ancient grudges and new hatred on all sides, and cynical leaders/politicians using it all to their benefit? Unfortunately, nobody knows.
*as of 2006, 66% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel. Over 40% had an Israeli-born parent. I'm looking for more recent data, but these percentages have been on the rise steadily since 1948.