2012-11-13, 04:15 PM
[MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION]; Familiars are permanent. Of course you're collecting meaningless crap, none of this stuff actually means anything, it's a game. The meaning isn't in what little value the game puts into them, it's what the people who like doing them put in them. Look at [MENTION=4764]Bomber[/MENTION];, he's collected 300 familiars, and what for? He likes it. It's not meaningless to him.
You'll most likely get scammed, yes, but then again, and I completely overlooked this, do you really have to sell to randoms? What about friends who might need the item, you don't even need a permit then? Most scrolls are less than 3m, yes, but that's more than enough to buy pots, which is apparently a big issue. The fact that they're not popular doesn't make them unsellable. People still play the classes that need the unpopular scrolls, and if not that, people still want cheap scrolls to scroll their android hearts with.
Again, yes, it's easy to just throw money at the game, but, and I say this again, it's not the only way. The fact that there's an easy way doesn't invalidate all other possibilities. These aren't excuses, they're suggestions if you don't want to go the way of paying to win. Sure, I can go out and buy a cake, but that doesn't mean you can't buy a mix and make one, doesn't mean you can't make one from scratch. But hey, why even do that, it's easier just to buy the cake.
You don't have to get a primal essence to make it big. Saving does work, you know. Sure, this one individual item isn't nearly as good as a primal essence, but ten of them are better than one, and a hundred of them are better than ten.
Bosses don't even drop the specific mastery books anymore, and the lower bosses ones don't even drop Mystery Mastery books at a decent rate. I would say the only reasonable way to get the books you need would be to buy them, but, outside of that there are currently 3 quests, definitely not enough, and I always get crap, that are readily available after 4th job which give you a better chance at getting a book you need. I wouldn't even consider hunting them, since there are 200+ books can come out of it, close to 300 after the release of Angelic Burster, it's a really terrible system. kMS came up with this item that lets you fuse two crappy books into a mystery mastery book, but that's something you get from events. Another facet of events is, many times if your class is getting revamped or whatever, you can get one or two books that instantly upgrades your skills to max at a 100% chance, but it's not really something you should have to rely on. Long gone are the days when bossing was required to upgrade your skills.
The other aspects of the game aren't as hard as you make them seem. You're not gonna fail a PQ because you don't have hundreds of dollars worth of equips. If me, Danny, and Joe can finish OPQ on some unfunded characters in kMS with no % gear, I don't think anyone else would have much of a problem. Even training, outside of party play, and even with party play really, you can do without having super godly equips. The game is just that easy now.
My options are unrealistic if you want to be competitive and boss and all that, but in the end, having all that percent stat and crap isn't an absolute necessity to play this game, but all everyone thinks about having the easiest possible time at bossing.
Let's look at what exactly you get from each boss:
Zak - Zhelms, Skillbooks.
Every class gets a 12 stat hat that, and since a while ago, they only have to kill a boss to get. Getting a zhelm isn't really a necessity. It's not gonna boost your damage up all that much, and the game has gotten to the point where a team of okay players can kill it without much of a problem, without having insane amounts of boss damage.
Targa and Scar are also in the same boat as Zak, I would say, minus skill books.
Hilla - Necro Weapons, Skill books.
Pretty much the same as above, Necro weapons kinda suck in comparison to Reverse and Timeless, but hey, if you want them, go for it.
HT - HTP
There are alternatives to HTP now, like MoN, or if you don't want to team up with other players to get a pendant, you can go for the silent crusade one. It's no HTP, but it's a bit better than a dep star.
Akyrum - There isn't really anything of worth here, recipes that you can't craft without insane requirements.
VL - Coins
VL is a pretty good boss, I don't think it's really possible for new players, but you can get the coins for rather decent equips. But they aren't much better than Reverse unless you get the set effect.
Chaos Zak - Chaos Zhelm. Skill Books.
At this point, Chaos Zak is really the only realiable way of getting skill books, it drops them just like old Zak used to, if you happen to be one of six classes. Chaos Zhelm as a hat is aces, if you're not going for an Empress hat.
Chaos HT - CHTP
Awesome pendant, poor requirements.
I feel that it's wrong of me to judge them so, but all these bosses are kinda worthless. Most of them have poor drop rates now, and you can't even sell their crap without paying NX to do so. And without potential, they're not much better than any equip you can get outside of doing these bosses, with the exception of CHTP, maybe. Even with potential, if you're comparing rare to rare, it's not much better either, I wouldn't think. It's bleak, and this is just my opinion, but it's totally not worth throwing your money at the game just to do them.
PB - Reverse equips, Mystery Mastery Books
It starts to get a little interesting here, Reverse weapons are decent final weapons if you don't have the money for Empress, Mystery Mastery books even better, but there's little chance you'll actually get what you need. Items here sell for about 10m~20m, decent money.
Empress and V2 - Empress Armor and Weapons, Mystery Mastery Books
Here it is, cream of the crop, the best boss. Currently in Windia, our Archer, Mage, and Warrior equips span from 10m~20m each, Pirate a little higher, Thief capping off at 60m~70m. Weapons are dropping every day, with nothing over a bil except above average canes. The profit you would get from doing Empress is undeniable. Each equip freely tradeable as well.
These bosses are the ones that require the most monetary investment, and they give the most profit. There are only two of them. Outside of these two bosses, and eventually CPB and Magnus, you can get by without spending so much on the game, assuming a group setting, which while laughable, is still something people do.
In summary, I would really only say there are two bosses that you really need to fund yourself for, unless you want to solo the others, which I understand, and those two happen to have the most potential profit and you can really get by in the game well enough without needing to do them just to make ends meet.
You'll most likely get scammed, yes, but then again, and I completely overlooked this, do you really have to sell to randoms? What about friends who might need the item, you don't even need a permit then? Most scrolls are less than 3m, yes, but that's more than enough to buy pots, which is apparently a big issue. The fact that they're not popular doesn't make them unsellable. People still play the classes that need the unpopular scrolls, and if not that, people still want cheap scrolls to scroll their android hearts with.
Again, yes, it's easy to just throw money at the game, but, and I say this again, it's not the only way. The fact that there's an easy way doesn't invalidate all other possibilities. These aren't excuses, they're suggestions if you don't want to go the way of paying to win. Sure, I can go out and buy a cake, but that doesn't mean you can't buy a mix and make one, doesn't mean you can't make one from scratch. But hey, why even do that, it's easier just to buy the cake.
You don't have to get a primal essence to make it big. Saving does work, you know. Sure, this one individual item isn't nearly as good as a primal essence, but ten of them are better than one, and a hundred of them are better than ten.
Bosses don't even drop the specific mastery books anymore, and the lower bosses ones don't even drop Mystery Mastery books at a decent rate. I would say the only reasonable way to get the books you need would be to buy them, but, outside of that there are currently 3 quests, definitely not enough, and I always get crap, that are readily available after 4th job which give you a better chance at getting a book you need. I wouldn't even consider hunting them, since there are 200+ books can come out of it, close to 300 after the release of Angelic Burster, it's a really terrible system. kMS came up with this item that lets you fuse two crappy books into a mystery mastery book, but that's something you get from events. Another facet of events is, many times if your class is getting revamped or whatever, you can get one or two books that instantly upgrades your skills to max at a 100% chance, but it's not really something you should have to rely on. Long gone are the days when bossing was required to upgrade your skills.
The other aspects of the game aren't as hard as you make them seem. You're not gonna fail a PQ because you don't have hundreds of dollars worth of equips. If me, Danny, and Joe can finish OPQ on some unfunded characters in kMS with no % gear, I don't think anyone else would have much of a problem. Even training, outside of party play, and even with party play really, you can do without having super godly equips. The game is just that easy now.
My options are unrealistic if you want to be competitive and boss and all that, but in the end, having all that percent stat and crap isn't an absolute necessity to play this game, but all everyone thinks about having the easiest possible time at bossing.
Let's look at what exactly you get from each boss:
Zak - Zhelms, Skillbooks.
Every class gets a 12 stat hat that, and since a while ago, they only have to kill a boss to get. Getting a zhelm isn't really a necessity. It's not gonna boost your damage up all that much, and the game has gotten to the point where a team of okay players can kill it without much of a problem, without having insane amounts of boss damage.
Targa and Scar are also in the same boat as Zak, I would say, minus skill books.
Hilla - Necro Weapons, Skill books.
Pretty much the same as above, Necro weapons kinda suck in comparison to Reverse and Timeless, but hey, if you want them, go for it.
HT - HTP
There are alternatives to HTP now, like MoN, or if you don't want to team up with other players to get a pendant, you can go for the silent crusade one. It's no HTP, but it's a bit better than a dep star.
Akyrum - There isn't really anything of worth here, recipes that you can't craft without insane requirements.
VL - Coins
VL is a pretty good boss, I don't think it's really possible for new players, but you can get the coins for rather decent equips. But they aren't much better than Reverse unless you get the set effect.
Chaos Zak - Chaos Zhelm. Skill Books.
At this point, Chaos Zak is really the only realiable way of getting skill books, it drops them just like old Zak used to, if you happen to be one of six classes. Chaos Zhelm as a hat is aces, if you're not going for an Empress hat.
Chaos HT - CHTP
Awesome pendant, poor requirements.
I feel that it's wrong of me to judge them so, but all these bosses are kinda worthless. Most of them have poor drop rates now, and you can't even sell their crap without paying NX to do so. And without potential, they're not much better than any equip you can get outside of doing these bosses, with the exception of CHTP, maybe. Even with potential, if you're comparing rare to rare, it's not much better either, I wouldn't think. It's bleak, and this is just my opinion, but it's totally not worth throwing your money at the game just to do them.
PB - Reverse equips, Mystery Mastery Books
It starts to get a little interesting here, Reverse weapons are decent final weapons if you don't have the money for Empress, Mystery Mastery books even better, but there's little chance you'll actually get what you need. Items here sell for about 10m~20m, decent money.
Empress and V2 - Empress Armor and Weapons, Mystery Mastery Books
Here it is, cream of the crop, the best boss. Currently in Windia, our Archer, Mage, and Warrior equips span from 10m~20m each, Pirate a little higher, Thief capping off at 60m~70m. Weapons are dropping every day, with nothing over a bil except above average canes. The profit you would get from doing Empress is undeniable. Each equip freely tradeable as well.
These bosses are the ones that require the most monetary investment, and they give the most profit. There are only two of them. Outside of these two bosses, and eventually CPB and Magnus, you can get by without spending so much on the game, assuming a group setting, which while laughable, is still something people do.
In summary, I would really only say there are two bosses that you really need to fund yourself for, unless you want to solo the others, which I understand, and those two happen to have the most potential profit and you can really get by in the game well enough without needing to do them just to make ends meet.